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submitted 10 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

North Korea fired a suspected intermediate-range ballistic missile toward the sea on Sunday, South Korea’s military said, two months after the North claimed to have tested engines for a new harder-to-detect missile capable of striking distant U.S. targets in the region.

The launch was the North’s first this year. Experts say North Korea could ramp up its provocative missile tests as a way to influence the results of South Korea’s parliamentary elections in April and the U.S. presidential election in November.

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[-] xhieron@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

What's there to deter? Anything NK could do to the US that would serve as a deterrent would immediately result in the US glassing Pyongyang. Lil Kim isn't Putin. He doesn't have a half-century of stockpiles to rattle at the US to pretend MAD is still a thing. And neither Putin nor Poohbear would lift a finger to stop it either, because NK's friendship just isn't that valuable, and it won't be for another several decades of pouring the entire GDP into buildup, if ever. US war hawks don't care about North Korea because they don't have to.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

A deterrent means they don't strike first. The US remains the only country to strike first.

[-] xhieron@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago
[-] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

He means nukes

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Please tell me how many countries have used nuclear weapons, and how many countries have invaded other countries with nuclear weapons.

[-] xhieron@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

So you're suggesting that North Korea is demonstrating its ballistic missiles solely in order to deter the United States from unilaterally launching an unprovoked surprise nuclear strike against North Korea. ...

Okay.

Let's talk about this, I guess.

In the universe in which the US launches an unprovoked surprise nuclear attack against North Korea, I'd like to think we could all agree that the rest of the world, including other nuclear powers, would be united in retaliating, NK ballistic missiles or not. Sure, it's not impossible that the US government could become irrational, but that's I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that nuclear deterrence is about more than that.

Even allowing ad arguendo a Hiroshima-like escalation scenario, we don't actually need the US's nuclear arsenal to do that (see: Tokyo and Berlin bombing campaigns). That is to say--to the extent that NK being a nuclear power might play in an actual deterrence scenario, it's redundant. In all other scenarios, we're not using 1945 military doctrine anyway.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

The US has invaded countries for made up reasons. See Iraq, 2003.

[-] xhieron@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago
[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Still waiting on those WMDs.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Because they built them first.

I prefer the US using them and then realizing it is too powerful than Nazis using it to conquer the rest of the world.

[-] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

TIL there were Nazis in Hiroshima.

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