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submitted 10 months ago by jack@hexbear.net to c/urbanism@hexbear.net

But as things stand, cars are still really expensive for many Americans. Just 10 percent of new car listings are currently priced below $30,000, according to CoPilot. Things are not much better in the used car market, where only 28 percent of listings are currently priced below $20,000.

According to an October report by Market Watch, Americans needed an annual income of at least $100,000 to afford a car, at least if they're following standard budgeting advice, which says you shouldn't spend more than 10 percent of your monthly income on car-related expenses.

That means that more than 60 percent of American households currently cannot afford to buy a new car, based on Census data. For individuals, the numbers are even worse, with 82 percent of people below the $100,000 line.

$100k to afford a car! Wtf.

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[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago

Just 10% of new car listings are below $30,000

Okay this does bring up a question I’ve had for a long time: Who the fuck buys new cars? I’ve only known like 1 person in my life who bought her car new and it’s because she was a moron who wanted a fancy new mustang. Even relatively wealthy adults I know buy like 3-5 year old cars.

I’ve always questioned this. It genuinely doesn’t seem like there have ever been enough people buying new cars to keep the supply of used cars going. I don’t understand how this works.

[-] davel@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not to brag, but as an old software developer, I’ve bought new (compact/subcompact) cars for cash, meaning no loan. Now I live car free, but in a city almost no one can afford. There is still a PMC/middle class/labor aristocratic class, though it’s ever-shrinking.

[-] Satanic_Mills@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Welcome to the world of car finance, where the tiny guardrails introduced to stop the housing market going Kerplunk again don't even exist, and is therefore awash with subprime loans.

[-] wopazoo@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Who the fuck buys new cars?

people who can't afford them

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

Who the fuck buys new cars?

Companies I'd imagine

[-] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

As well as private leases there is a massive corporate market for company cars (at least in my country). Cars are offered as a benefit to employees and used as pool cars etc. The company leases them for 6 / 12 / 18 months then they are returned back to the lease company (often the oem themselves) and either re-leased to other individuals or sold on. It’s a huge amount of cars that have that ‘sales’ model. I think almost 80% of BMWs are leased to begin with.

I was reading about a small EV startup company (read: multi billion dollar Saudi oil diversification project) that is planning on never selling cars but instead perpetually leasing cars, and reconditioning the returned car for ‘like new’ leases of the same vehicle again and again and again.

Cars companies aren’t really a manufacturing businesses any more, they’re banks; all of their real products are financial products, loans and leases etc with a car just as the vehicle (pun slightly intended) to sell those financial services.

[-] CDommunist@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

The only person I ever knew who bought a brand new car also "invested" a significant chunk of their life savings into youtube hustle and grindset crypto scammers

So they're a millionaire now, right?

[-] CDommunist@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

Remember: It's never a loss till you sell at a loss

[-] jack@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

I think if you have a big chunk of change to put down it is the smart move long-term, but basically you have to have enough money to not worry about how expensive cars are anyways. I think most new cars get leased for a year or two before they get properly sold; I have a friend who leases a new car every two years, pays just a bit more than an actual car note, and has something nicer to drive. But he doesn't have any path to ownership.

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It used to be the case you could get a new car and take out a loan with the car company for 0-1%, or buy a used car and get a loan with the bank for 5-6%. I don’t think the car companies are offering those deals now but when they did, for the same monthly payment you could get like a $20k new car or a $13k used car. Given the risk of inheriting someone else’s mechanical problems + you don’t know how well they took care of it, in that specific case new could be the better use of money in the long run.

I’ve helped a couple friends buy a car. I usually say either go with the very low end of new cars, or buy some 15 year old Honda or Toyota that will run reliably for a while longer for like $5k

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

The Market Adjusts. I assume financing as well as dealerships that accept trade-ins help a lot.

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