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I don't know if this is suppossed to be a meta-commentary/joke or not. I never said both of those things.
China is more suited for space coordination because of its productive capacity and cooperation with other nations. China will not seek to "own" outer space but to instead integrate space travel as a way to benefit itself and the world. China can care for its citizens, the US is quickly losing the ability/will to do so.
Why not try to reflect on the fact that the US only cares about space travel when China seems to overtake them ever so slightly?
I don't care what you really feel about China, but to interpret my support for China leading the space field as ignorance is just projection.
Can we apply this methodology of Chinas in how they treat their neighbors, and “wont seek to “own” outer-space” and do so at the benefit of the world and compare it to how they treat Taiwan, Hong Kong, and international waters? Oh to shreds you say?
Taiwan and Hong Kong were ripped away from China by European colonists, you ignoramus. Hong Kong was occupied as a British colony after the British dominated China during the Opium Wars, you know, that century that started when China decided to ban opium since the Europeans had gotten 60% of the Chinese population addicted and Britain decided to run gun boats through the coast terrorizing and destroying until they sacked the capital, stole and destroyed priceless history, and then forced the Chinese at gun point to re-legalize the drug AND grant ALL Europeans immunity from Chinese law within the 5 major ports?
Taiwan was the last theater of the Chinese civil war until the British and US navies intervened to protect the KMT and their favored comprador, Chiang Kai Shek. They wanted to ensure another Chinese army could go back and take over from the communists eventually so they protected, funded, and armed the KMT while it prosecuted the White Terror for 40 years, killing hundreds of thousands of political dissidents and indigenous Taiwanese.
Returning Hong Kong and Taiwan to their integrated status with China is DECOLONIZATION
No, you can't give context. China bad! /s
On a serious note, reading a while back about what happened during the opium wars was horrendous. And also finding out that South Korea was governed by murderous fascists until very fairly recently, while the US was supporting the South Korean regime was also an eye opener to me.
The "governed by murderous fascists until very fairly recently" mirrors Taiwan's timeline as well.
No one in the region considers the South China Sea to be international waters.
Everyone just disputes who's waters they should be. Don't talk about things you know nothing about.
Ah so you made my point anyway
It's the same concept where not even Taiwan claims they're a sovereign and independent state: they're the rightful government of all of China (including Mongolia).
Tibet
Not even the British considered Tibet to be independent lol
And yet the argument was never “do these places need to be independent?” But “can China be trusted with dominion over space based on how they treat international waters and their neighbors.” You will notice that i did not specify any particular action or event. But you are already here with excuses for events and actions. Hence me mentioning that you are making my argument for me. Because you did that i already know, you know i am right to not trust china, and also you have a vested interest in me not being right.
What... If you think China supports it's citizens and cooperates with the international community any better than the United States, and doesn't have a colonialist agenda, you're either speaking in bad faith or just terribly ignorant. We can sit here all day with whataboutisms, and comparison, but the truth is China is no more suited and, AT LEAST, just as ill intentioned.
Even Atlanticists admit that China has brought ~800 million people out of poverty.
Mostly it’s people in imperialist/neocolonialist countries who think China is imperialist/neocolonialist. It’s not a popular opinion in Global South countries.
Are these the same global south countries that China is building things at prices they know they can’t pay back so that they can seize them later or the China that is currently trying to take over huge parts of the ocean that belong to others under international law?
Typical projection. China is not charging the usury rates & terms that the IMF and World Bank famously do in order to put Global South countries into debt traps. And they’re not creating 800+ extraterritorial military bases to enforce them like the US has.
What does that have to do with them trying to steal other peoples part of the ocean
You mean the parts of the ocean called the East China Sea and the South China Sea? 🤣
Foreign Policy: Surrounded: How the U.S. Is Encircling China with Military Bases
And that article is a decade old: it’s only gotten worse.
Fellas, what does having military bases in a territory have to do with control over it
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Even The Atlantic, voice of the colonists, wrote a deep piece debunking the Chinese debt trap. China has forgiven sooooo much debt to other nations it's laughable you could even make this post without blushing.
The Atlantic, 2021: The Chinese ‘Debt Trap’ Is a Myth
Thank you
Is China shipping billions of dollars in weapons to Israel as they, in 3 months, have dwarfed Ukrainian civilian casualties over 2 years? No? Well...
Did China instigate a coup of Pakistan's democratically-elected leader? No?
Is China the only country voting against the Right to Food pursuant to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 25)? No?
Hm.
They do though
China will not seek to “own” , doubt.
Let's see China get out of other nations' ocean space first and then we can talk about outer space.
LOL, when was the last time you saw a Chinese ship near Hawaii let alone California? If you want to measure intent by naval presence, you're just going to make the opposite point you intended