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2 UK ships collided with eachother in Bahrain (nitter.net)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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The ship names are absurd lmao. HMS Chiddingfold and HMS Bangor.

It's not a real country. They don't deserve to issue their own currency, the EU needs to invade immediately and force the Euro on them.

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I had considered Taranto but I might have mentally discarded that because it was a surprise strike against an unprepared enemy rather than a pitched battle. I suppose we can also add in the attack on the French fleet at Mers El Kabir if we're going to include Taranto.

numerical advantage was integral part of RN doctrine, and they simply didn't engaged witout it when it could be avoided.

Britania rule the (human) waves!

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

Britania rule the (human) waves

besides that "human waves" are propaganda b.s. that nobody ever actually used, "fair fights" are so rare and assiduously avoided by everybody they have no place in serious analysis. you can imagine how a battle would go differently if the participants were completely different all you want but that's just fantasy it doesn't make the real military what did the real battle a "paper tiger".

same silly game with the USN's aircraft carriers 'useless future artificial reefs' i hear all the time (if they face a real opponent!) okay well i'm sure that's a great salve on all the dead from countries that weren't fair opponents? the game-changing hypersonics are literally only in countries the US was having a hard time bullying before those came out

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

same silly game with the USN's aircraft carriers 'useless future artificial reefs' i hear all the time (if they face a real opponent!) okay well i'm sure that's a great salve on all the dead from countries that weren't fair opponents? the game-changing hypersonics are literally only in countries the US was having a hard time bullying before those came out

I don't think the future artificial reefs thing is pointing out you're a moron if you get killed by an aircraft carrier, I'd argue it's exactly to point out they only work against enemies far removed from being peers as per military might.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

phrases like "don't work" and "peer" are incompatible. its either going to fair "peer" or one side is superior and assured of victory

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago

“fair fights” are so rare and assiduously avoided by everybody they have no place in serious analysis

Obligatory reminder that British definition of "fair fight" is the battle of Omdurman.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Aye, so what if the Brits lose as much as casualties as the enemy in a battle? A crushing defeat?

I always wonder the same with other empires...

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Aye, so what if the Brits lose as much as casualties as the enemy in a battle? A crushing defeat?

Then it's still the moral victory, "tough win" or "glorious last stand" (yes even when the Boers shot them like ducks) depend on circumstances.

About the Royal Navy, i think their most embarassing lose was Battle of Cartagena de Indias in 1741, where they got absolutely massacred despite outnumbering Spanish 8 to 1. In newer times Battle of Coronel in 1914 made Brits absolutely livid and red hot for revenge. And of course Kuantan in 1941, this one was so onesided it is not even officially called "battle".

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

(yes even when the Boers shot them like ducks)

That was the only time I felt bad for them Brits.

Say what ye want, but a bunch of Imperial British soldiers too removed to live and think normally in their homeland are nothing, compared to dedicated settler colonists who want nothing more than to create lebensraum...