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This is the basic gripe of Democrats the country over. The Democratic party absolutely sucks at between-election messaging. All of the great messaging campaigns that kept them relevant and positively viewed were all basically reactions to Republican fucks up. I mean, the House Freedom Caucus is actively trying to hand Democrats some good PR with their bullshit budget requests. Senate Republicans know it can come back to screw those up for reelection, too.
And what are the Democrats doing? Nothing? Releasing websites about abortion rights or some shit? Idk. The Democratic is really bad at the communications part of politics.
I thought the problem was their between-election inability to actually do anything.
Whenever any political commentator opines about the DNC’s problem being poor messaging I just immediately tune out. This is what comms and marketing people push to encourage democrats to dump even more money into advertising and PR. The problem is not insufficient PR lmao, it’s the rot, corruption and evil anti-worker policies of the party in governance that are the problem
I thought we were supposed to be communists here. Are we really repeating DNC narratives about the problem being insufficient money into consultants? This is MSNBC quality political commentary
Probably would have a lot more to communicate if they did actually do anything
Depending on the level of government we're talking about, that's true or they do a lot and just never talk about it like idiots.
Not a single American politician is doing anything good. Everything is getting worse and they’re all bourgeois monsters top to bottom, both parties. Even “the squad” types are passing bills to fund Israel’s genocide and warmongering
Prove it. I'm curious as to where you've come to believe The Squad is funding Israel's genocide and warmongering. As far as I'm aware, that is not true. So, I'm really looking forward to be disabused of my rosy view of them.
Where do you libs come from? AOC supported the fucking coup in Bolivia of course she supports Israel and condemns Hamas.
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-violence-israel-and-palestine
Omar, Tlaib, all of them repeat anti-Russia propaganda and push for more funding for Ukraine. They are all warmonger class traitors
The issue is the Squad funding Israel's genocide and warmongering. We can take up the issue of Bolivia some other time if you're still around.
The press release condemns Hamas for the October 7th attack. That's reasonable to most except those that sanction political violence as if it ever works the way we think it does. I mean, Hamas killed 1200 Israelis on that day, believing political violence was justified...and look at Gaza now...but I digress....
This press release says
That's definitely not active support of Israeli genocide or warmongering.
Moreover, Biden is having to bypass Congress altogether to get Israel aid. That takes any culpability away from the Squad imho since they clearly oppose giving more money to Israel.
So, again, the issue is the Squad funding Israel's genocide and warmongering. Do you have any other evidence that they're doing that?
Except for every successful revolution. The October Revolution, Chinese Revolution, Cuban Revolutuon, Vietnam as examples.
That's not reasonable to us here because we're communists. Condemning Hamas is wrong. I'm not suprised the Squad has taken that position because they're a bunch of libs
...this is definitely off the topic originally discussed, I'm curious:
It's not enough for you that they actively oppose Israeli genocide; rather, they have to also support Hamas in their struggle against Israel?
Centrism is support of the status quo. Nominally opposing Israel and Hamas is opposing change to the current trajectory and nothing better. Hamas represents the most viable current expression of the political will of Palestinians, hence its broad support by them, so any reasonable anti-imperialist will support them until such a time comes as they are no longer the most viable or they no longer have a war that it is productive for them to fight (i.e. once Palestine is freed from river to sea).
Yes.
I don't care about the Squad. I don't support them or any US politician and no one else here does either. So its not a question of me thinking what they are doing is enough or not.
Leaving them out of it. We support the Palestinian struggle. We supported it when the PLO was the main force, and we support it now that Hamas is. The violence of the oppressed can never be equated to the violence of the opressor. Condemning Hamas is against the Palestinian struggle
Yes
Hamas are the only people fighting Israel (in addition to Hezbollah, Yemen, Iraqi resistance, Syria and Iran). These are the only people doing anything about the genocide, yes you have to support them if you don’t support genocide. Literally everyone else on earth is standing by watching doing nothing
aren't they in alliance with local communist and anarchist groups who supported the 7/10 attacks and continue to fight? not taking away from your point - just adding to the groups of involved resistance fighters.
Yes I should have said the axis of resistance are the ones fighting (which includes other Palestinian groups in addition to Hamas)
What options did they have other than armed resistance, they already tried peaceful protest and got their kneecaps obliterated by snipers
The IOF killed most of those people on Oct 7 but don't let the facts get in the way of propaganda blaming the victims
Oof. Almost got baited there. Touché.
I think it's clear that the Squad isn't funding Israel's genocide and warmongering and staunchly stands opposed to it.
I could condemn slavery and oppose all violent resistance against it. My condemnation would not be worth two grains of salt.
Who cares about the Squad. The Squad are a bunch of useless libs
Look, I hate the American Revolutionary War as much as the next guy, but I don't think this is an accurate characterization
Oh, sorry, you were probably thinking of something more like the Haitian Revolution. I wonder what the differences is
You are using Palestine's resistance of occupation and ethnic cleansing to justify their occupation and ethnic cleansing.
Nothing Hamas or anyone does can change the fact that they are justified in resisting Israel's occupation and ethnic cleansing.
Y'all keep jumping down my throat for something I never said. Similarly, y'all hate on The Squad for a position they don't hold either.
Why would you bring up the number of dead settlers/soldiers on Oct 7 if not to justify The Squad's opposition to Hamas?
The attack is the only thing they've condemned, since they're opposed to violence. They've also opposed Israel and maintained support for Palestine because they're opposed to violence.
You're equating the violence of the oppressed with the violence of the oppressor, which is not equivalent. Opposing Isreal and Hamas is just supporting the status quo, which is genocide
Haaretz: “According to [comments by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions—including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists without knowing whether the Israelis in those buildings were alive or dead—the IDF completed the takeover of the kibbutz.”
An air force colonel said that Israeli airstrikes may have intentionally killed Israeli captives rather than let them be taken to Gaza. Speaking in Hebrew about the airstrikes, Colonel Nof Erez told a Haaretz podcast in November that “the Hannibal Directive was apparently applied” and that 7 October “was a mass Hannibal.”
Ynet (Israeli government affiliated): Israel fired from helicopters into crowd of festival goers indiscriminately (blamed on “Hamas deception”)
Regardless, let’s look at the nonviolent approach. Have you heard of the Great Match of Return? Palestinians would be condemned to a slow death if they did not resist. Take your liberal condemnation of violence and shove it.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Biden doesn't have to bypass Congress to get Israel aid. Who would vote against it? The evangelical cultists of the republican party would do anything to bring about their apocalyptic vision of the second coming and no democrat would vote against it. They're bypassing congress so they don't have to inform the world what they're sending to arm the genocide machine.
Biden's bypassing Congress was reported by national media outlets. If what you say is true, then it was probably the most ineffective way to do anything inconspicuous .
There's probably another explanation that you're dismissing out of hand
I bet there are people that would vote against it and that's why Biden bypassed Congress. Until that legislation comes up though, we're kinda at an impasse empirically.
I didn't say "inform the world that they're sending," I said "inform the world what they're sending." Bypassing congress with the national security bullshit means they don't have to say, "Yeah, we're giving them white phosphorous and cluster bombs to commit war crimes."
Damn, sucks that they couldn't get around to shooting you too! Maybe next time
this is in dispute, with Hebrew language outlets reporting based on survivor accounts that it was the indiscriminate attacks by the IDF that led to so many deaths.
Hey hey! Someone with evidence!
The Grayzone seems suspect as hell, but some of the links to which it leads are high quality.
I think this is worth considering in the future...thanks.
their sources are all clearly laid out. they're an anti-imperialist, leftist magazine but that means they have to be heavily cited because they're opposing the state department narrative and don't get the benefit of the doubt. I think in time you'll find in time that their reporting is generally pretty accurate.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/how-israeli-forces-trapped-and-killed-ravers-at-the-nova-festival
And the national level Democrats failing to pass things during the years they have total control while doing things like
makes it harder to trust the local ones.
Like most of the Dems running in my state with the party backing are all getting money from the realtors' association and the power company...
That's every local government in every town and city in the US, totally regardless of party.
it is in the material interest of the democratic party to not wield power
People hear this and balk because they picture the “leadership” of the party that requires popular support to maintain office, but what’s really meant is the massive funding base/NGO apparatus/professional politickers ie lanyard-dicks that all get more money and more support when the GOP is in office acting like lunatics. The consultant class gets a new boat every time Trump says something racist in office. Remember that law office that ate up all of Stacy Abrams cash meant to fIgHt FoR vOtInG rIgHtS?
If the Dems wanted to win they wouldn’t be running Joe, simple as
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