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It’s still funny, but parent licenses are step one of eugenics, and licenses protect fish populations, environment, parks, lots of good. If anyone’s really agreeing with the subtext, learn more about the dangers of both.
What are the dangers of protecting fish populations, the environment and parks?
Fishes can bite
Environnement is scary
Parks have other people in them
Licenses are a way to prevent people from overfishing populations. Certain populations have been overfished to the point of being endangered, and if a species gets erased out of an ecosystem, the overlying ecosystem gets thrown out of place depending on how key of a species the fish was.
There are some species the gov does not care about eg the invasive lionfish and asian carp
Thanks for more thoroughly explaining the benefits of parks and preservation efforts. Super import work. If you get a parking ticket for camping with your parks pass in your glove box, don’t dispute it if you can afford it.
I think they were joking about my clumsy phrasing, though
Also if they were a particularly delicious species no one would be able to enjoy them anymore.
Lol
A little Eugenics never killed anyone
Can't die if they aren't born
Desecrating corpses never killed anyone. A lot of evil shit doesn’t result in death
six million people would probably disagree if they were still alive
That's a very big "if"
What’s your deal? Are you a grammar Nazi edge lord or just regular Nazi?
Just a troll.
Plenty of trolls don’t lean into Nazi ideology, why do you?
Because I'm trying to enforce Poe's law.
Maybe if there was any humor to glean from your “jokes” that might be very noble of you. Regardless of a /s or not what your saying is gross.
Edit: in other words, not good enough, why are you like this?
That's a great philosophical question! We are like what we are due to a combination of three things:
Sarcasm or satire without purpose like what you’re doing now (best case scenario) is roleplaying and enough of that starts to leach into your own belief systems. This specific ideology alienates you from regular people and puts you in a social corner where the only ones that would want to humor your unfunny bits are Nazis.
I really hope you spend some time tuning your values and sense of humor, because Nazis never win, they’re never loved, they’re sad, mean, and lonely.
Edit: “He was engaging with you in good faith but you’re just enjoying yourself in a disappointing way!” -Urma
She insisted so compromise, edit. Anyways if your still checking back on these Ian, she also wanted me to tell you casserole’s in the oven and she’s coming not home tonight so take out the dogs, please.
So... it's not about them being morally wrong?
In all honesty a little bit of eugenics probably wouldn't be a bad idea, the problem is that once you have government mandated eugenics you begin a slippery slope that should never be approached.
While not strictly eugenics, similar outcomes have occurred naturally in places where genetic testing and access to abortion are more available. For example Iceland has almost no Down Syndrome persons. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/down-syndrome-iceland/).
Frankly, now that we can test for these things, there are several genetic disorders which a reasonable society would self select to remove from the gene pool. Things like Huntington's Disease shouldn't keep propagating. Basically there shouldn't be a government mandated program, but if you know you have some horrible genetic disorder you shouldn't pass it on.
To be clear, I don’t think you’re advocating for eugenics. So I hope you don’t feel attacked/defensive by any of the following:
I can’t speak for anyone who’s living with an impossibly difficult disease, but the fact that so many people are living their lives, finding happiness, and making contributions despite everything they have to get through every day says enough to me that denying their right to exist isn’t solving a problem and is denying the world of their life.
The problem with eugenics (aside from the obvious history of racism) is that it’s looking at the problem from the wrong angle entirely. Instead of working to make things easier for people with disabilities and working towards cures, advocates for it think the problem is contained and solved by pruning the “problem” vines. We’re people, not produce. People that are neurodivergent, differently abled, or even severely disabled, all belong because we have enough to make room for them to thrive in whatever capacity they can. Whether we’re doing enough is a different conversation.
Iceland isn’t mandating people to abort chromosomal anomalies, that’s a choice the families make for themselves. So it’s beside the point. More so, it’s not like that can be eradicated either because anyone can parent a kid with DS. Huntingtons might be a valid concern, but sterization is a decision for those suffering it to determine themselves. That’s not eugenics.
Equating eugenics with family planning is irresponsible because it validates one very bad and widely rejected avenue of science because it’s slightly adjacent to a human right that is valid. Supposing that they are the same ignores history and risks spreading ideology that leads to making those same mistakes again.
TL;DR: GATTACA!
the lack of parent (and most pet) licenses is how we have so many people with long-term trauma or fucked up lives due to bad parenting... like 99% of people make terrible parents. imo you should at least have to pass a few courses related to parenting funded & certified by the government to possess children or pets, or even pass some sort of psychological examination. it's extremely important that people who aren't fit to parent don't have kids, that's how you end up with... the average first-world person now (humanity is in a terrible state right now so that's pretty bad). it is a "slippery slope" to government do bad thing, yeah, but that can be said of most restrictions and it's up to us as a society not to fuck that up.
that being said, our current society is NOT able to properly handle the responsibility of anything of the sorts, everything i said doesn't really apply with such corrupt and immoral governments where literal fascists have a fine time just waltzing in. and it probably won't ever apply unless we somehow purge all fascist scum from power and don't let them in again (not happening in this reality). at least in the US and some of Europe looking at how the governments are completely screwing child & potential parents' rights it gives a pretty clear idea of why it's a bad idea otherwise (gay couples can't even legally adopt in much of Europe, including Italy & Switzerland).