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I think Republicans are afraid of abortion because deep down they know that the only reason they're here is because abortion wasn't easily available. Gotta keep the garbage coming.
I wouldn't say it's against a rule, but kinda messed up to imply someone was basically garbage since birth.
Seems like a razor's edge that they're walking on.
This kind of rhetoric doesn't help resolve anything.
I wasn't trying to solve anything. You can't fix stupid.
That much is obvious. 'Opinion masturbating' in a public square is a thing, apparently.
This kind of rhetoric doesn't help resolve anything.
It helps identify individuals who don't care about making the world a better place, via resolving issues.
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Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (perjorative, perjorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (perjorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!
Talking on the Internets won't solve much no matter what you say.
Societies self-monitor the people in them.
Even if you don't win, pushing back against hatred is always the right thing to do.
Depends: if something did not get any attention - than push back is contra-productive, since it might just create more attention. If something is already getting than pushing back might be helpful in the bigger picture.
It's not a matter of getting attention or not, it's a matter of challenging the commenter and their opinion on the subject.
The assumption is that it will get attention since it's on/in a public forum.
There is almost no way to convince people with radical opinions in a written discussion. So the push back is not really useful to challenge the opinion of op but of people less radical or neutral who are also reading the comment. But if the comment did not get any traction, there might be a downside in engaging by getting more attention to the comment. And you don't know which side of the argument people in the end will chose - so I would just leave it alone. If I'm not in mood for some flaming.
That is an assumption, and not a fact.
Also, pushing back sends a signal to others in the same Society that there are others that believe the same way as they do, and invites them to push back as well. A society self signals to the members inside of it as a method of forming the meta opinions of that Society.
Hatred should always be pushed back against, no matter how effective the pushback ends up being, and regardless of the aggravation/cost of doing so.
Sure, I would love to hear arguments against it. I personalty would prefer if it wasn't that way.
That is a fair point.
Yeah, like I don't agree with this at all. Not difficult to for me to think of situations where just let it be is the best and ignore it is the best answer.
Well, your next part of your response (see below) actually signals that flexibility in changing of opinion does happen.
Otherwise, my own personal life experiences is contrary to what you stated, as Groucho Marx once quoted, "I can believe you, or my lying eyes." I'm not going to doxx myself though, to prove that point, you'll have to just take my word for it.
It's an important point too.
A lot of times we go through our individual lives seeing things around us as not the way we would want them to be, and wonder if we are the only one who feels that way. Seeing other members in our society believe the same way as we do is a positive uplift to our own lives.
The problem with that philosophy though is that you end up seeing everything as 'not worth it' because human nature is such that you don't want to be bothered to make the effort, and have to deal with the circumstances. Meanwhile, hatred continues to creep into our society more and more, as today's events avidly show.
Sitting on the sidelines doesn't help fix anything. I'm not saying you have to throw yourself in the battle each and every time (tag-teaming is okay) but you should at the very least do so if the effort is minimal. Comment responding on an Internet forum is low effort (at least initially).
Well, that depends if you view my opinion as radical. That was at least what I was talking about - not sure if it was clear or not.
Sure, we than have very different experiences when it comes to online, written debates. Which is absolutely possible - would be interesting to find out why.
Fair point. That I personally tend to overlook since I'm rather a non conformist myself. But I can see how it's in general rather helpful.
I don't see how one necessary results in the other. I can run away if I'm alone at night and there are five Neonazis in front of me - no point in proving them wrong. Does not mean that I won't speak up when I think it's necessary.
Sure, but also a very low form of any actual benefit. But than again, I won't pretend like I know an effective way of fighting against the rise of the modern right. So who am I to judge?
(Emphasis above is mine)
It got us to talk, and share ideas/philosophies, didn't it? I'd say it had a benefit.
Also, there are others who read and do not respond that it may affect, that you would never see the positive benefit of such an interaction of those others.
And as I mentioned before, you don't do it for the rewards, you do it because it needs to be done. Hate should always be pushed back against.
Again, I was talking about specific engaging with radical opinions. I would not consider our conversation an example of such. Would you?
Again, my point is that by engaging also more people will be exposed to the radical point of view, it helps to keep it in the discussion. Which does not mean to never to engage. Like I'm rather selective - I will engage if I think I have a good answer, because I have some knowledge or maybe just a good way of pointing out the absurd. If I see someone talking to crazy shit to them self, with no one around, I will also just go by (if I'm not in the right mood).
That is not the way I think about it.
We still disagree on this one.
Meh. I think a lot more of it is Republicans seeing their children failing to have a sprawling brood of children to perpetuate the Family Line and falling back on this being some kind of conspiracy against white people.
These are people who get exposed to Reality TV families with twelve kids and yearn for the kind of extended families that they shamed their own kids out of when they freaked out about teen pregnancy during the 90s/00s.
I mean, most of the upper level Republicans come from wealthy families that would've had access to abortion regardless.
You're saying kids born because abortion wasn't available are pieces of garbage. What the fuck. think about what you said.
Since I was down voted into oblivion. I'll reconsider your statement.
Deep down Republicans believe that the only reason they're here is that they weren't aborted.
So I guess that's similar to conservatives thinking that the only way people can act morally is because they read it in a thousand year old book.
I guess the logic checks out but all I could think about with a gut check was that kids who's parents wanted to abort them but couldn't probably ended up in a hostile environment.
I feel bad that so many of you have the reading comprehension of a stump. Poor guy.
Care to elaborate on how abortion restrictions “keeps the garbage coming”?
In the context of awful Republicans creating more children and raising then to be awful Republicans... You knew that though.
Apologies for the late reply.
Actually I didn’t, which is why I asked that question. Your writing is unclear (which is why multiple people seem to be concerned about it), and you’re assuming the reader will understand your comment in specific context.
Why would I assume republicans (who are anti abortion) get enough abortions to influence how many of them there are? Can we even assume that having access to abortion influences population size when sterilization exists, and is something people get when they’ve had enough children? These are hypothetical questions, I don’t expect you to answer them. I’m just pointing out that without being clear, you can’t assume folks will read your post under the context you feel is obvious.
Yeah it's not my writing...
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