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Why has the world gone to shit?
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this post was submitted on 24 Jan 2024
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Your suggestion would only usher in a different kind of tyranny.
Really? What kind of tyranny would increasing democracy while reducing concentration of power cause? Lol I'd really like to know.
There's a reason the people who wrote the Constitution decided upon federalism as our form of government. It protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority. This concept is especially important as the urban majority seeks to assert its ignorant tyranny on the rural minority these days.
The United States isn't a single government like most non-federal nations. There is plenty of democracy in our local and state governments, and we have our bicameral Congress which accounts for both the equality of the states, no matter their populations, as well as the inequality of the states, taking into account their populations. Remove that equality and you will be unable to get enough states to ratify your new constitution.
They did no such thing. Literally that's propaganda. All they did was enshrine the tyranny of white landed male Gentry. Which don't get me wrong. Was progressive at the time. Considering no males outside of royalty typically had much power. But don't push this fantasy that it was about protection from some sort of majority. It was all about enshrining the tyranny of a specific minority.
And like clockwork, the entire history of the United States has been pushing back against the tyranny of that minority. Minority. Women's suffrage came at pushing back against that minority the rights of non-whites to vote came from pushing back against those groups as well. The rights of gays to marry came from pushing back at those groups as well.
If the majority is something to be feared. And the tyranny of the majority is an actual thing that we have evidence is bad. Then I am sure you could provide examples of this. No examples exist, but surely you must be able to provide some. Where this evil majority inflicted their tyranny upon people.
Which is doubly absurd when we're talking about diluting power not concentrating power with anyone or any one group. So that no minority or majority has outsized power over any other group to inflict their will. It's like you've never really given this. Any critical or deep thought.
You gotta return to your grade-school history textbooks, my friend. You can even read what the Framers wrote as they debated, at length, this very topic. It was the major sticking point between the populous states and the less populous states, and the bicameral legislature was the compromise.
Either way, I'm not concerned. You'll never get enough states to give up their representation so it'll never happen.
Grade school history books are literal hero worshiping whitewashed propaganda. And if that's what you're running on. You've been willingly duped hard.
For their day, the founders were definitely more democratic and forward thinking than many of their contemporaries. But they literally only gave white landowning males a voice in the government. Go look it up. Read on it. Their voice was the only voice that mattered. The voice of women. Didn't matter. The voice of non-landowning males white or otherwise didn't matter. We fought wars over this and had protests for the better part of the last several hundred years to get the progress we've got. It wasn't given to us by the founders LOL.
I'm not saying you're wrong about how originally only white male landowners were able to vote. But... That's completely irrelevant to the issue of apportioning representation. The bicameral legislature provides fair representation to every state, whether it's big or small. I don't see how that could be anything but beneficial to everyone, whether they be a white male landowner in California or a black female renter in Rhode Island.
Anyway, you aren't going to convince me that your folly is the best course for this nation. I'm not too concerned because, like I said, you'll never get enough states to go along with such a horrible plan to replace the Constitution.
Good day.
It never has. Not even before house was capped. Definitely never after it was. The electoral college and the Senate were literally concession to racist bigots. To imbalance the system in their favor. Literally, this is highschool, basic college level intro history.
It's hard to know whether someone is truly this ignorant or if this is a performative novelty account. I'm going with the latter. But just how easily possible it is for such a lack of information to exist. Still makes it frightening. There really are a ton of people out there operating on similar information deficits.
I'm not sure I'd trust non historians about history.
That's fine. As long as you don't trust the official histories either..
I trust them more than "alt" historians who use flimsy evidence.
No one should trust flimsy evidence. And yet many people trust the official histories with flimsy evidence. While ignoring or never being exposed to the true history. US history is full of such well-known falsifications.
Well you took the cowards way out. I was hoping you'd actually try to contend with any of the many points they made as it would be an interesting conversation but you had to lean on ad homs in the end.