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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago

So how would that work with Lemmy? If a company demands the IP of users?

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 30 points 9 months ago

Guess that depends on the instance. Mine will sadly have a technical issue which corrupted the database.

[-] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

For our instance we've answered that here:

Reddit might be forced to hand out IPs of users frequenting piracy subreddits: how does programming.dev compare?

edit: just wanted to share a great observation that was made by UlrikHD in our admin channel:

"So if a company wanted to demand the ip of every member on a piracy community, they would have to contact every instance federated with that community then
good to know"

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Instance owners would have way, way fewer resources and almost definitely need to just capitulate. Assuming they even had the info to share, though.

[-] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 2 points 9 months ago

You can offer access to Lemmy over Tor

[-] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

I believe the rules wouldn't apply. Usually when a company is asked to provide data and they refuse they are forced to shut down. But since Lemmy is decentralized, I believe if the cops were to ask someone to provide the IP of a user, they can just say no and shut down the server at least temporarily, and then possibly bring it back up under a new domain and ip.

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 9 months ago

IANAL but withholding evidence from a court order can hold you in contempt of court. I remember hearing a story of a person who was accused of having CSAM on an encrypted hard drive, and refused to decrypt it, and is in jail until he decrypts it. Just because you're a person doesn't mean you can ignore a warrant.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 44 points 9 months ago

information itself is a liability. best to have a policy of 'we keep no IPs in logs, so are happy to hand over whatever'.. dump data the moment you dont require it

[-] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

yeah, this sounds like a much more sustainable solution. Do it the way signal does it. Collect as little as necessary, and delete it as soon as you dont need it.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 9 months ago

Just store what logs you need on a ram drive. The logs will be gone the instant the server shuts down and there is no way to recover them.

[-] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Downsides include : if any intrusion happens on the server, red team just needs to reboot it to wipe evidence.

[-] Perhyte@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If they have the root access typically needed to reboot a server^1^ they could also just wipe the logs without rebooting.

^1^: GUIs typically have a way to reboot without such privileges, but those are typically not installed on machines just used as servers.

[-] Davel23@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

I looked into that guy somewhat recently, he was in jail for something like five years then eventually released. Kind of a sickening situation all around.

[-] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Good to know. They should implement no log policies then

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

Imagine contempt of court but you don’t live in the US

[-] esserstein@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 months ago

With the federation does that also mean that the ip records are replicated? Because that would be a lot of parties that can be threatened, with only one required to give in...

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Don’t browse lemmy with your naked IP. This isn’t the 90s. When using the Internet, wear a condom.

[-] Johanno@feddit.de 11 points 9 months ago

As long you don't do the "known illegal" stuff you don't need a VPN.

However if you upload copyrighted material a vpn is one of very many steps to ensure that the police won't get you. A VPN alone does not provide any security. It delays at best the police

[-] Nighed@sffa.community 10 points 9 months ago

Ah yes, give your browsing history to the shady VPN company instead.

Although that would help in this situation.

[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Shady? I only use VPNs from known companies, like Sony.

[-] Nighed@sffa.community -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A VPN either:

  1. Logs access/usage so it can be given to authorities. (And/or sold/stolen etc)

  2. doesn't log usage data and willingly accepts that some disgusting stuff will be done using their service.

1 might have to give browsing data if sued by a media company, 2 is ethnically bankrupt and shouldn't be trusted at all.

Doesn't mean their not useful, just be aware of who you are giving your money to and the limitations of their protection.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

At most you will get some targeted ads (if you use "free" ones), compared to fines and jail, I say it's a good trade-off.

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