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Nikki Haley Flails When Confronted by Her Own Secession Comments
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I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think there might possibly have been a five-year war fought on this very subject in the mid-1800s and the "we can secede" people lost.
At least that's what some guy on TV told me this one time.
And there has been absolutely no change since the 1860s. Women still don't have the right to vote. Black people are still segregated and commonly kept from jobs. Marijuana is not legal. Time changes societies.
Which amendment to the Constitution added since the 1860s has allowed states to secede?
Because Article 10 was written before the 1860s.
Exactly. Nowhere in the Constitution is secession mentioned. Therefore, Article 10 would apply since that is not given to the federal government. The only thing we have that says we can't is Texas versus white. And that is quite dubious because of course the United States would pass a court judgment saying you can't secede from the United States.
Again, there was a war fought over whether or not the states could secede. The ones that thought they could lost.
I'm not sure why you need something more decisive than that.
I would hope a war is not needed to settle such a dispute in modern times. If the states truly wish to leave peacefully, let them. The harder we hang on to this "union" the more devided and hateful we all become. Its time to let Bye-gones, be bye-gones. We tried and it is in the process of failing as we speak.
Yet again, it has already been settled.
Clearly it's not settled because people still wanted. And we all know that the hardest thing to kill is an idea.
People still want to deny women the right to vote. That matter is still settled. As is the matter of secession.
What percent of people want to deny women the vote? I doubt it's very high, where secession garners at least one fifth and possibly over a third. I have heard estimates ranging from 20% to over 40% with as high as 65% in specific areas. If the national average really is more between 20 and 40% you're talking about 66 million to 132 million people. That is way bigger than a large enough pool to keep the idea alive.
I have no idea why you think keeping an idea alive means that the idea is legal to do.
It could be 99% and it still was deemed to not be something that states could do between 1860 and 1865 and nothing has changed on that particular front since then.
May I remind you that your only legal case in favor of secession was a part of the constitution written decades before the 1860s?