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U.S. Rejects Putin’s Latest Call for Ukraine Negotiations
(www.nytimes.com)
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That's right, fight to the last Ukrainian. It's a great investment.
It is a great investment for NATO. At the cost of spare inventory of 2nd tier weapons (which need to be replaced soon), they can broom fuck Russia from a safe distance..... And Ukraine is begging for this it's only polite to help out.
Except that's not what's actually happening given that it's Europe and Ukraine being broom fucked, as you put it. Russian economy is growing, as is its industrial output. Russia has successfully diverted trade away from the west and had no problems finding new trade partners. Russian military output now outpaces all of G7 as western media openly admits. Meanwhile, the regime US installed in Ukraine is sacrificing the country for US interests while scumbags in the west cheer this on.
I would recommend people watch YouTuber "Joe Blogs", his videos are very informative on this topic. The Russian ruble stayed afloat for a while because the central bank had to spend a lot of money to defend it. They cannot afford this now which is why the currency has tanked. They wanted other countries to use rubles when purchasing Russian product but are in such a weak state they had to accept Yuan's and rupees. Even if the war ended, Russia has lost its most valuable clients in the west. The Russian government controls economic data so it's hard to know exactly what is happening with economy. Government military spending has increased which would help but how long can they keep doing this? This is artificially lifting the economy and will end when the war ends. Ukraine claims 400,000 Russian casualties, add the Russians who fled earlier in the war, that's a huge loss in manpower and skills. I see Russian protesters asking for their soldiers to return home since they've served their required terms. How many of those loved ones are dead and what will the reaction be like.
If Russia is winning, why are they asking to negotiate a war they started and have not achieved their goals set for this "3 day special military operation"?
Russian military output is greater than the west? I'm not going to check this because it doesn't matter. Do we need to worry that Russia has more shit tier equipment for their soldiers? You're also buying weapons from Iran and North Korea.
I feel sorry for the Ukrainian blood being spilled but NATO can easily afford to continue this war indefinitely. Putin might have a strange hold on Russian necks and your bank account but the numbers are working against him.
This is what happens when you get your information from a guy named Joe Blogs as opposed to actual credible sources. 😂
Russian rouble being low actually creates more domestic profit for the Russian government selling resources. Also, last I checked rouble is trading at 91 to a dollar which is hardly tanked. Given that it's generally been trading between 80 and 90 to a dollar.
Also, not sure where you got the notion that clients in the west were most valuable to Russia. Trading with countries that aren't trying to undermine Russia is far more preferable from Russian perspective. It's the western countries, specifically in Europe, that are most hurt by all this. Hence why Russian economy is growing while Europe is going into a recession.
Hilarious that you call military spending an artificial increase. What does that say about US economy then, weird how nobody applies the same logic there.
Ukraine claims a lot of things, like the Ghost of Kiev. Meanwhile, the only western sources that provides any methodology shows Russian casualties to be at around 43k https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
Russia is not asking to negotiate the war. What they said from the start is that they're open to negotiations on their terms which have not changed since the start of the war.
Meanwhile, if you think that NATO can afford to continue the was indefinitely then you have no understanding of how industrial economy works. NATO lacks industrial capacity to produce weapons and ammunition at the rate being spent in Ukraine. This is openly admitted by NATO.
It's incredible that people still believe all the nonsense you wrote even though western media now openly admits that all this is false.
Also love the implication that you're a Russian bot "Putin might have a stranglehold on Russian necks and your bank account"
classic liberals
haha right, I love how libs just run around smearing people when they're unable to muster any actual counterpoint
I was going to reply to all the points you made but I read your source and it is excellent, I will use it in the future. https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
So you make fun of Joe Blog even though he uses Russian (where available) data and other sources. But let's use your "reliable" source "which shows Russian casualties of 43,000". If you had bothered to read more than just the head line you would have seen.
"approximately 47,000 Russians under the age of 50 had died in the Ukraine war. However, these figures represent only a partial account and do not reflect the full extent of the casualties."
"The actual death toll is likely significantly higher."
"This week, CIA Director William Burns penned a column in Foreign Affairs estimating the total losses of the Russian army—killed and wounded—at 315,000. At first glance, this figure might seem significantly different from our own count, but in reality, it’s not, and we regard Burns’ estimate as close to the truth."
"43,000 obituaries found on social networks suggest approximately 80–90,000 actual deaths."
And the 300k estimate is assuming a 3 to 1 wounded to killed ratio. 90,000 killed and (3 times) 270,000 wounded is from Feb 2nd. On that day Ukrainians were claiming ~387,060 casualties, pretty close to the 360,000 from your reliable source.
Nothing in what you quoted contradicts that they can only account for 43k dead using actual methodology. But even if we took your 90k dead with 270k wounded, that doesn't paint the picture you're trying to paint because many of the wounded recover and return to service. What you were clearly trying to insinuate in your original comment was that over 400k soldiers were out of action permanently.
Meanwhile, one simply has to look back through the failed predictions Joe Blogs made over the past year to see that the guy is utterly clueless. It's incredible how hucksters can make a youtube channel to spew utter nonsense and people will gobble it up uncritically.