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Putin's suggestion of Ukraine ceasefire rejected by United States, sources say (www.reuters.com)

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[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

I agree that the history lessons from Putin are bs, but hard disagree that this isn't NATO/Russia but Ukraine/Russia. Do you know what a proxy war is?

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The Vietnam War was a proxy war as well, but I'm pretty sure the (north) vietnamese still quite authentically wanted USA to gtfo.

[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

I agree with what you say. OP is implying that just because "It’s one of Putin’s strategies: To make it look like it is a conflict between the US/NATO and Russia, not between Ukraine and Russia." It's not true. And I would like to challenge that.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

If there’s something I learned from libs during this war is that Russia’s no1 strategy is saying the truth of how geopolitics works. Dirty Russians… using the truth against us!

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi -1 points 9 months ago

Perhaps I perceive this wrong, but it seems like the counterimplication is that this war is primarily between US/NATO and Russia with Ukraine being just a pawn. I don't think that's quite true either.

[-] carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

I mean it is mostly is and would like to hear why it's not true for you.

The case that Ukraine is mostly a pawn is that it gets major military and economic support from NATO/US https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-pledges-further-major-military-economic-aid-ukraine-2024-01-10/ gets information support from NATO [the public/media discourse is heavy pro ukraine; ranging from bbc, dw, france24, nyt, wsj, reuters, etc. ] NATO is picking ukraines leaders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k NATO is telling Ukraine what to do by coercing not to negotiate for peace https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/ While the US knew the consequences of NATO expension https://youtu.be/E3tdF2S04wg?si=cmjik9lRDryxHHEB&t=1312 [love that timestamp]