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Estonia considers closing its border with Russia
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And NATO is a good guy? They invade countries far more often, that aren't even close to their borders. It is even more clear that it is for oil then for some national secuirty. And most people in Ukraine are fine with joining NATO. Don't fall for NATO propaganda that Russia is bad and you need to join their even more warmongering power. The reason in the first place why Russia is invading is because NATO is getting closer, which is exactly against all international deals made after the fall of the Berlin war. NATO should have been dispanded when Warsaw pact disbanded. But the hunger for power got them so close to a nuclear power, that it provoked them in a clearly unprofitable war for them. Geopolitics isn't that simple that there are good and bad guys. They are all bad, some are just more powerful and can get away with more.
And people are never to blame and there is no reason to close borders for civilians. We can't afford to not give a fuck about any civilans right now, because they are our only allies. The ruling class of Russia and NATO is what got us into this war and the people of both sides are against it. If we let this politics play out, there will be wars forever. We need to stick togheter and get rid of both Putin and NATO. Without that, we will just be in more war. Even if this war ends, Ukraine will have to join another NATO war in middle east. It will never be over.
holy russian propaganda Batman! The good old fairytale of the poor, poor russia that is opressed by the badies from the NATO. I'm out of this discussion comrade.
And what is your oppinin why they invaded Ukraine? Because they are naturally evil? Because they are stupid and thought they could just take it over without NATO helping them? I have no access to Russian media, it is not propaganda. It is common sense. There is absoultely no argument against it.
in the same post I critize Putin as a well and it is clear that it is not Russian propaganda. But it is classic of NATO propagada to claim that if you cirituqe their wars in middle east, you are a russian propagandist, even if you critique Russia as well. They of course do same thing in Russia, where they say anyone who critiques their government is CIA spy.
Being NATO warmongering propagandist and calling for more russians to be deinied assylum so that they have to fight in a war so you can kill them in the battlefielled and get another country into NATO is far more dangerous. It is clear, for anyone following wars around the World, that NATO is the most warmongering power that has control over the majarotiy of the World. And if Russian government didn't own nukes, thay would be inavded by now as well and there would only be one central goverment for the entire World, run by US.
Again Russian goverment is just as bad in intentions, but their power is far less threatning that what NATO is doing. I fear that even if this war in Ukraine stops, even more wars get started by NATO around the World and this planet is forever trapped in a constant state of warfare.
😂 "common sense" and "absoultely no argument" he says...holy fuck give me a fucking break 🤣
Here start reading comrade and please take your fucking time, because you are just repeating the bullshit of those russian dipshits without leaving any valid source.
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-russias-disinformation-campaign-targets-nato/a-64675398
https://www.baks.bund.de/en/working-papers/2016/russias-myths-about-nato-moscows-propaganda-ahead-of-the-nato-summit
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_Russia
https://globalvoices.org/2022/06/27/understanding-the-damaging-effects-of-russian-propaganda-against-nato-and-kosovo/
Literarly from the first article: "There is some truth to this. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, 14 Eastern European countries have joined NATO, four of them bordering Russia. Ukraine requested the chance to join via NATO's Membership Action Plan in 2008, and the country's initiative to join has only intensified since Russia's invasion." In the rest of the article they don't debate about this being a reason for invasion, just claim that some Putin claims that are lies and exagarations (which of course they are, he is a politician). I will not spend time reading other articles since even the first one is clearly irrelevant and strawman, because some lies doesn't mean the whole motivation of fear from NATO is not true. Also there is no other reasonable motivation.
And third link is literarlly from NATO website, its like giving link to Kremlin offical website for arguments against NATO. In which one of the first things that I saw was a obvious lie that NATO is not agressive, which you would have to be living under a rock not to know what NATO states are doing in middle east and millions of civilians they kill.
So as I said, you are a clear NATO warmongering propagandist.
That part must slipped your propaganda infested mind so be so kind and fuck off comrade, I'm done with you.
If you insult when you are clearly exposed and with clear arguments shown to be wrong, you are showing not only bad intentions, but inability to accept a critique. I didn't escalate this disscussion, you are the one that said to me that I am spreading propaganda. I proved i to be other way around and you can't take the same insult that you unkustifiably directed at me, even though in your case it is true. Calling other people what you are is classic case of projecting your own problems.