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[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 134 points 9 months ago

I must admit, "Linux becomes the refuge of luddites" was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.

[-] ekky@sopuli.xyz 55 points 9 months ago

Huh? Isn't this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?

Don't think it's much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

More over being a luddite on Linux is like a fish trying to breathe in a public swimming pool; it works until the chlorine poisoning sets in.
Linux adopts new technology constantly.

[-] Hubi@feddit.de 53 points 9 months ago

The difference is that Linux generally adopts new technology because it enhances the user experience in some way, and not because it maximizes ad revenue and telemetry.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago
[-] BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social 11 points 9 months ago

Ehn, one can survive pretty long with a stable distro.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yes, but eventually that LTS goes EOL and you'll have to move from that abandonware.

[-] Granixo@feddit.cl 4 points 9 months ago

Ubuntu LTS versions can last 10-12 years before EOL.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yes, 10-12y to swim, slowly in-taking chlorine overtime...
Then when you do finally switch, you find yourself in a similar yet vastly different swimming pool and the cycle starts over.
Image when eventually the LTS goes Wayland only and Luddites go : "I'mma just say with my abandonware forever."
Luddites hate adapting to new technology as a character trait, it's what makes them a Luddite.
Luddites will often choose to deal with decrepit, vulnerable, abandonware then change to something new because they don't want to spend a week learning new "muscle memory".

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

The Luddites of Linux are one's desperately trying to convince people that Xorg is perfectly flawless and that Wayland is vaporware.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

A luddite should ideally not involve in Display Server wars

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago

Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?

Come back with your Wayland ad when there's something like CWM or FVWM for it.

It's simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won't change that.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?

Literally, YOU right now.
Also, this is the linux community; everyone has an opinion on everyone else's opinion.

Come back with your Wayland ad when there's something like CWM or FVWM for it.

Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.

It's simply functionally inferior now.

It's functionally superior in many ways, and here's the real kicker, its actually maintainable and expandable.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don't have HDR? LMAO.
I'm done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.

[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Just fyi this isn’t the Linux community. It’s just “technology”.

Granted on lemmy it’s basically just one big Linux community.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Didn't even realize lmao.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 9 months ago

Literally, YOU right now.

I'm improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions. So I don't care about you in particular.

Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.

Wrong.

Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.

I don't use HDR and I don't care. Just like you don't care about what I use.

its actually maintainable and expandable.

Yes, I'm sure somewhere 10 years after I'll use it after it's been finally expanded to something usable.

I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.

Too bad

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions

You answer you're own opinions? funny.

Wrong

CWM : stacking window manger
LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, and Sway, etc.

FVWM : Tab Window Manager
DWL, Hyprland, Sway again, etc.

You're factually disproven.

I don’t use HDR and I don’t care...
I’m sure somewhere 10 years after...

Luddite : one who is opposed to technological change.
Thanks for proving my point. For further discussion you can TELNET me @ www.megaboomerenergy.com::80

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -4 points 9 months ago

This is incomprehensible, you are arguing not having seen once what you are arguing about.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you want a 1:1 equivalent WM, then you'll just have to build it yourself scrub.
The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can, then some.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago

The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can, then some.

I can send you my FVWM config and hear how are you going to achieve that.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

First I'd start with either DWL, Hyprland, or possibly Sway, then read the documentation re-creating everything as close as possible. (⁠◠⁠‿⁠◕⁠)
All the features are there, just glue it yourself. Just the same way you'd convert those same configs to an i3 & DWM equivalent.
If you can't deal with that and want a 1:1 WM, then you'll just have to build it yourself or convince one of the other 3 people who still use FVWM to do it.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -2 points 9 months ago

with either DWL, Hyprland, or possibly Sway,

Do these things allow me to define functions and to call them on focus change, on windowshade, on iconification, on other events? Can I evaluate text returned by a command spawned in those as part of my config, at any moment? Can these functions differentiate between windows by mask? By state? BTW, can I have custom states? Can I have conditionals there? Schedule those functions? Change that schedule?

Just the same way you’d convert those same configs to an i3 & DWM equivalent.

I wouldn't. These are different things for a different workflow.

All the features are there

Where there?

I know you are not an adult.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do these things allow me to define functions and to call them on focus change, on windowshade, on iconification, on other events? Can I evaluate text returned by a command spawned in those as part of my config, at any moment? Can these functions differentiate between windows by mask? By state? BTW, can I have custom states? Can I have conditionals there? Schedule those functions? Change that schedule?

Yes.

I wouldn't. These are different things for a different workflow.

And nobody cares about your workflow, sorry. Go convince one of 3 other people to make your 1:1 equivalent.

Where there?

Consult the official documentation and community configs, etc. It not that fuckin hard dude.

I know you are not an adult.

You're the one who immediately started name calling trying to "correct" me with incorrect nonsense in a different thread, dumbass. Not to mention, "luddite" wasn't even directed at you personally, you applied it to yourself.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago

Yes

OK, that's my config: https://pastebin.com/AFLe2x8N (messy, but not too much). Until you replicate it for something under Wayland, I don't care.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do it yourself whiner, I'm not going to convert your 555ln of crap into an equivalent config with all the equivalent necessary add-ons and plug-ins for you. Go ask ChatGPT because an AI is the only thing that'll be able to stand you. You can stay with your abandonware for all eternity for all I care, I'm busy doing things that are much more productive then wasting my time helping an ungrateful egomaniac (e.g. literally anything else).

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago
[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Never said I would, nor do you even deserve such kindness. I'm not about to spend 3+ hours building and fine tweaking a config for an asshole that publicly goatees itself on the internet.
If you're lazy, don't be a little shit too. choosing beggars get nowhere.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago

Just fuck off. You had your chance to support all the bullshit you've said, you haven't. Now you are a little bitch whining for attention

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"Now you are a little bitch whining for attention. ~~I- I'm not projecting, I'm not projecting, I I'm not~~ ༼⁠;⁠´⁠༎ຶ⁠ ⁠۝ ⁠༎ຶ⁠༽"

[-] mriormro@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

You people are fucking crazy and will literally find anything to fight about. Normal users don't care about this sort of shit and it's the thing that turns people completely off when they inevitably run into a problem with Linux.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

inevitably run into a problem with Linux

This has nothing to do with any of kind of Linux problem.
It's just Luddites crying because Linux is moving on from outdated flawed software that has a bunch of unfixable problems.
Same shit happens with windows, my guy. "WHAAAAAAAA MY WINDOWS XP/98 WHAAAAAA", at least it's often partially valid for windows...
Luddites are not exclusive to any particular OS.

If someone is having a Linux issue, they just need to ask. Literally just ask me, or the vast major of other users, we'll literally provide better tech support than Windows will ever have.

[-] Kyatto@leminal.space 3 points 9 months ago

yeah I've seen the windows support forums, every official response either misses the point of the question or the answer is straight up wrong.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What gets me is the replies like "just wipe it & reinstall the whole thing".
Yeah right, like I'mma spend an entire hour wiping, reformatting and reinstalling Windows, then varying additional time reconfiguring everything for a problem that likely has an extremely simple solution but they're too lazy to gather the necessary information to actually solve it.
Assuming that the Windows installer doesn't fuck up and I have to restart the install process again, which has happened to me several times.
At least Linux takes 5-10m tops to install for the user friendly distros.
Even I, a Linux user who's spent hours upon days debugging kernel issues for my hardware can see how fuckin stupid that shit copout advice is.

[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I don't know why they devolve back to tribalism. I just installed the thing and the programs I had to use and just...kept using it since I didn't want to pirate windows xd. No need to shout to others what's my favorite fake non Unix distro or anything.

[-] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is not tribalism.
This is people crying because Windows moved from 95 to 98 for comparison.

Xorg has a plethora of unfixable issues, and people are mad that we can't & don't want to stick to it for all eternity, crippling the hell out of Linux growth & innovation.

[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I just hope they get rid of the ancient stuff to make the neckbeards seethe xd

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

It would mean corporate software support. And while you might still choose FOSS, it means money pouring into Linux—which is always a good thing.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 7 points 9 months ago

"And the lord said unto John, come forth and install gentoo."

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago
[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for "neo-Luddites" anyway. I don't find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.

[-] radamant@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites

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