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There are laws in place for service workers related to minimum wage. The employers have to make up the difference if tips don’t meet the rate for hours worked. It seems to me that’s not sufficient for the times.

Hypothetically, if everyone were to stop tipping in the U.S. would things be better or worse for workers? Would employers start paying workers more?

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[-] dingus@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is why it really bothers me when people comment that they refuse to tip anyone for anything. I get that you have a problem with the system. So do I. So do a lot of people. But all you're doing is fucking over that particular server in the moment. You aren't "sticking it to the man" or hurting their employer. You're hurting the poor sod just trying to make their way.

Please continue to tip people who are paid a tipped wage, even if you don't agree with the system. You're not harming the right people when you refuse to tip like that.

(Disclaimer: Tipping people who are NOT paid a tipped wage is not necessary...like cashiers at counter service restaurants.)

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I’m convinced that people who refuse to tip “on principle” are just cheapskates.

[-] Botanicals@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Looks like the cheapskates found your post.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In the past, I would have agreed but, in a lot of places the sub-minimum “tipped” wage has gone away and now tips are just bonus. I’m sure the worker likes the money, but it’s not like they aren’t getting a full wage. Tips in fact may be acting as an inhibitor to workers fully organizing and negotiating their wage with their employer.

[-] dingus@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Do you know where these places might be? I have not heard of this being a thing.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

There is a link in the article https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/tipped-workers-minimum-wage-rcna132172

[-] dingus@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

This is very interesting, thanks! I had no idea. For the tl;dr, it looks like Alaska, California, Oregon, Washington, and many businesses in Minnesota, Montana, and Nevada have tipped minimum wage the same as non tipped minimum wage. Many others pay more than federal tipped wage, but it doesn't mean that it approaches the state minimum wage. While still far many states than I'd expect, it's nowhere near the majority.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

This is very prevalent on Lemmy.

Marginally ok thing happens that is progress in one particular part of a wider issue

No grass touchin lem:

"Well that's not addressing full systemic change within one calendar month therefore is a waste and an assault on all of us!"

Like, we get it dude. There's big problems out there. But that attitude just sucks the good out of every individual act, especially when that act has no contact, or ability to change the wider issue.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

They didn't say it's pointless because it isn't a big enough change.

They said it's harmful because it's screwing over the server and the employer (let alone the industry) probably won't care.

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