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This was getting praise but it just reminds me of when libs started venerating McCain as a saint bc he voted with them once after a lifetime of being a ghoul.
I don't get how anyone pro trans can live through the past decade and still fly a libertarian flag. Did people not witness what direction 95% of libertarians broke? Maybe I'm just too doomed out to have a fun time with people meming on this.
I think a some libertarians are well meaning at their core but lack the perspective or curiosity to get very far out of their own personal experience/bubble, so being white straight guys they've just never really thought very hard about, well, anything that doesn't directly affect them. I've had some success walking them outside their bubble and exploring the consequences of the stuff they believe and it's pretty often effective at making them actually start thinking.
Sure, maybe a decade ago, and maybe today for some people identifying as it hyper casually.
But I don't get how you get to the point where you're buying flags and participating in libertarian party politics, and not understand that libertarian flags are flying beside fash flags at every far right hate rally.
I can only read this graphic (that a party is publishing) as a completely cynical attempt to confuse people about what the party stands for. They know who makes up their party faithful. They know this means "in theory maybe trans people are ok, in practice we're working with people who want to exterminate them."
They're still liberals, cause and effect aren't tied directly together for them in their worldviews. I have no doubt that plenty of them are just as you describe them, but don't underestimate the willingness of the liberal worldview to pointedly ignore things that a materialist viewpoint would find extremely obvious.
I was a socially liberal libertarian around the time of the 2003 Iraq invasion. It took a lot of reading many left leaning perspectives to get me to understand the failings of liberalism and libertarianism. As a USAmerican, I was so full of propaganda education, it took way longer than it should, but I also didn't really have any actual leftists to talk to about this stuff in my life. Since my marxist epiphany, I've been able to breadcrumb some folks in one conversation through years of my own development just by talking about historical materialist analysis and other concepts.
In my experience, you have a significant chunk of libertarians (maybe 20-30%) who:
Those are people we can bring around.
Reading The Fountainhead and thinking "Wow, this sucks" in high school was a watershed moment (and always will be)