Time: Ukraine Can't Win the War (time.com)

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[-] SmokeInFog@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

They're literally doing that right now, though

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

They're fighting against NATO expansion to Russia's border which they have been warning against for over a decade now. Even Stoltenberg admits this now:

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

[-] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I thought Putin said it was because "Ukraine is a neo-nazi regime"?

No, wait, he said it was because the west were using Ukraine to base their weapons

Oh, nevermind, I forgot that there is no such thing as Ukraine, it's all part of Russia

Oh, or is it because the west are gay paedophilic gender-neutral-god-worshipping heathens

Or was it because Ukraine was planning to pretend Russia nuked them first so that they could actually declare war on Russia

Ah, was it to defend Donetsk and Luhansk's independence? Or are they part of Russia?

Or is it that Ukraine has a government with no control, where the streets of Kiev are a lawless purge?

I seem to have lost track of why he's invading. Could you clarify for me?

[-] MaeBorowski@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's pretty hilarious how nearly everything you listed as if they're contradictory points actually come together rather comprehensively to support the thesis that Russia is having to fight a belligerent NATO. And the one item that doesn't fit wasn't ever claimed by Russia to be a reason for the conflict.