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Dont you think it is horrible how people put their political ideologies / viewpoints over human lives (lemmy.world)
submitted 9 months ago by prettydarknwild@lemmy.world to c/general@lemmy.world
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Something that i find prettyd disgusting these days is how certain people put their political ideologies / viewpoints over human lives, for example, celebrating the russian invasion of ukraine because it is "a blow against US / NATO imperialism" completely ignoring all the warcrimes, the deaths, and the suffering generated by that war, the same happening with the palestinian genocide because "Israel is the only working democracy on the middle east", acting like their ideoligies are going to bring back to life all the dead people somehow

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[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Here's an example of putting ideology before people. I see on here regularly people who believe in the Christian god but are told that them looking at the doctrine of their holy books critically and trying to change the nature of their churches to be better is a useless endeavor and use the opportunity to snipe at people of faith.

During they holocaust while some Christian organizations were supportive of Nazis others assumed great personal risk and extracted hundreds of thousands of targeted people out of the country ro safety because of their faith. Their contributions were not small or easy and should not be ignored.

So often on here when trans issues come up people choose to use the occasion to put their personal religious trauma or prejudice before the needs of solidarity in the fight. They snipe at other trans allies for being "bad leftists" for believing in god. The trans community does not have the luxury of petty in-fighting, if choosing who our protectors will be. We cannot be choosing beggars for solidarity and help. Everything helps. There are trans people of faith who feel isolated in their need for community of other people of faith. There are churches that are key to changing people's minds, there are people of faith who need support and encouragement to keep fighting in their corner because creating an enduring culture of acceptance inside a religion can also create long term security. The needs of our community are varied. We of the trans community are not weapons to be weilded to score hits against our own allies so you can feel good. When you do so you are putting yourself first in opposition to the goals and needs of trans people. You want to hate on people of faith there are lots of people who could use the distraction but wearing out people who are actually empathetic and who we need fresh for the fight is not doing us a service.

Allies of faith, keep doing what you are doing. I may not personally believe in your gods but you have my respect and thanks because I have friends who are alive because of you.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

I see on here regularly people who believe in the Christian god but are told that them looking at the doctrine of their holy books critically and trying to change the nature of their churches to be better is a useless endeavor and use the opportunity to snipe at people of faith.

Everyone who tries to change the Christian doctrine to be more in tune with the actual spirit and teaching of Jesus, has my respect.

During they holocaust while some Christian organizations were supportive of Nazis others assumed great personal risk and extracted hundreds of thousands of targeted people out of the country ro safety because of their faith. Their contributions were not small or easy and should not be ignored.

And during the inquisition Christians tortured and burned people for basically fun of it. As any dogmatic believe system you can use Christianity to justify what ever you feel like.

So often on here when trans issues come up people choose to use the occasion to put their personal religious trauma or prejudice before the needs of solidarity in the fight. They snipe at other trans allies for being “bad leftists” for believing in god.

Sure, but the dude I'm talking to is a christian fundamentalist who believes that abortion is murder and on trans issues just stated that trans people should indeed not be killed (pretty sure the person does adhere to christian dogma of two genders, even so they dance around an answer), wich I would not classify as ally.

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

It is still something I see very often levied at members of this community who don't deserve it. It is so very common for people who have a history of just mentioning their faith in the same breath as their support of trans people getting completely dog piled on by people who having sighted a believer to decide to try and debate their faith and hurl abuse.

More generally I wish people would realize what they are actually doing when they are doing that.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

Possibly. I personally don't have any problems with personal faith but a general dislike for organized religions. In this instance I replied because I'm discussion abortions with the same person in the same thread.

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Sometimes people's veiws on abortion are dearly held and we can ask only that they not inflict those beliefs on others.

This person, despite their stance on abortion, seems at least fairly progressive on their stance on trans people. Maybe not a gold star of support yes but was coming after them undermining them for the general state of the church in regards to gender minorities ultimately nessisary? This habit of individual members of a faith getting shoved on the back foot having to defend all of Christianity simultaneously for beliefs they don't personally hold is a way to express your distaste of organized religion... But Scapegoating isn't pleasant to be on the receiving end of.

[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

This person, despite their stance on abortion, seems at least fairly progressive on their stance on trans people.

Maybe I missed something, if so, I'm really sorry - but so far this person was against direct physical violence against trans people, which is sure better than nothing, but also nothing really to pat someone on the back for.

This habit of individual members of a faith getting shoved on the back foot having to defend all of Christianity simultaneously for beliefs they don’t personally hold is a way to express your distaste of organized religion…

Again, I don't believe I'm doing it - I refer to this persons personal believes and I would be pleasantly surprised to be wrong.

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