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Image is of a protest in Pakistan after the attempted assassination of Imran Khan in November 2022.


What a clusterfuck of an election.

Imran Khan, the previous official Prime Minister of Pakistan, was removed by the command of the United States in April 2022 in a no confidence motion. This made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. Imran Khan and his supporters have protested since then against the Pakistani state, which is more-or-less governed by the military despite the furnishings of civilian rule. This has ranged from largely peaceful protests to trying to burn down and occupy houses and headquarters.

It was assumed by the Pakistani elite that they could make the problem go away by arresting Imran Khan and effectively forcing many PTI candidates to run as independents while hounding them with police raids and stopping them from campaigning - and adding salt on the wound by disabling social media access and mobile services on the day of the election to make it more difficult to co-ordinate. Fortunately, these people don't seem to quite understand how the internet works in the current day, and so Khan's supporters started up WhatsApp groups and improvised websites and apps to spread the word about which candidates to vote for, leading to Khan's party getting the plurality, though not the majority, of votes in the election.

This has created a rather depressed mood in the Pakistani elite. A coalition of eight parties joined together, obviously excluding the PTI, but this coalition is shaky and lacks much legitimacy, with two major parties inside it, the PML-N and PPP, being ideologically opposed on several issues. It has been regarded as "the coalition of losers" by Khan's supporters. The new Prime Minister is Shehbaz Sharif, who also ruled from April 2022 until August 2023 and is the younger brother of Nawaz Sharif, who served as Prime Minister three times before in the last few decades. With inflation at 30% and the economy greatly struggling, there are fears that things may only stay together for months, not years, before the coalition fragments and something else has to be done.


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[-] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 51 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I got a question for everyone here, in your country/region/state is the 4 day work week being talked about very often in the media or by center-left political figures?

I ask because for whatever reason this shit has really taken off here in Portugal to the point where they got my old former maoist uncle telling me "you're only going to be working 4 days soon!".

And I mean yeah I'm all for it, except that the way it's being pushed is not with "fuck the bosses we deserve to work less" and an associated mass movement (the communist friendly labour union approves it but they don't have the power alone to do it), it's with very technocratic arguments about productivity increases, sometimes mentioning the human worth of free time and recurring to the handful of limited experiments which are always successful, basically in the logic of "no class war here this is actually good for everyone!", which I don't know if that's true, feels like employers would 100% get fucked with this (unless they get to cut wages or increase work hours).

I already mentioned some of the reasons I'm skeptical this will ever actually be implemented anywhere, but another big one is that here in Portugal it's implicit in this idea of the 4 day work week that it has to be the center-left (often much closer to the center than the left) "socialist" party which has been in power for 9 years (and might get booted in next sunday's elections), and this is crazy because there's no way they would actually do this it doesn't matter how many studies are comissioned saying it's great policy that would favour anyone, like, WE WILL WORK LESS, idk how this can be discussed technocratically yes I'm sure some professions (mine included but probably not my way of working specifically) will 100% probably have increased productivity, but will everyone? To the point where the right and employers actually accept this? I can't see it.

So is the 4 day work week being discussed and debated positively in your country or is it still a fringe left idea?

Edit: Thank you all for the responses!

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 47 points 9 months ago

The only 4 work day plan here outside of nerd experiments here in the u.s.a is only if you're working 10 hour shifts

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

Or getting paid 4/5 of a full-time wage, of course. They're often happy to do that shit. Sure: go ahead and work 4 days a week...at this one job, while you desperately search for a second or third....

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In the UK, you get studies and recommendations about it (and I've seen a fair share of videos online over the years about how great it is) but I don't think the people who want this without being socialists quite understand that the suffering is a feature, not a bug. Let's say the total labour done by the population does actually increase if a 4-day work week was mandated - the thing is that you're meant to feel permanently exhausted from work, that's one of the negative forces keeping workers from putting effort into things like creating organizations and parties.

The only way I could see it taking off is if a socialist government took power electorally and wasn't immediately couped (impossible) or if businesses decided by themselves to do this. And again, outside of pilot studies, it's simply not going to happen. You're not going to convince them, you'd have to use force, and that is hecking anti-free market and therefore the worst possible blasphemy against our holy god, The Economy. But liberals and socdems think that those businesses can be convinced, hence all the studies, so at this point I almost feel a kind of disdain for the idea despite it being theoretically good just because it's wasting time and energy.

[-] MrPiss@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

I could see businesses doing it piecemeal for the pmc/labor aristocrats and the capitalists themselves. You know, the people who deserve it so that they can golf more or dedicate an entire day to brunch. It's not like they were doing much in the office anyway.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago

Here in the UK the media literally never ever talks about it. The 4 day week comes almost exclusively from the socialists and socdems. The Starmerites hate it, Tories literally never engage with it at all and I haven't seen any of them on to talk about it.

A few business-ey types have talked about it with left politicians on tv from time to time, the ones that are willing to trial it.

[-] Kereru@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

It's definitely not a trend here, but when it does come up it's very technocratic and always in the context of well-paid email workers. It feels more like the tech and finance PMC pushing for job benefits on an individual level, not connected to class consciousness. The argument also makes more sense for those jobs: "we all know we aren't actually doing anything productive anyway, can we have Friday off? We'll just cancel a few timewasting meetings."

[-] Eldungeon2@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

There's a <30 hrs work week at my job but only applies if you have a PhD and have multiple peons doing the grunt work.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

Same with my boss. He does probably only 25 hours every week and somehow all the work still gets done. Quite a mystery if you ask me :^)))

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

back in highschool in KKKlanada our teachers always said by the time we were out of college there would be a 4 day work week. Never heard it said by a politician.

Here in Aus there is no discussion of it AFAIK. I don't pay much attention to asutralian politics because it is 100% red vs blue id-pol.

[-] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

I had the option of a 4 day work week in several previous jobs but we still had to do 40 hours in those 4 days so it just ended up making me feel awful from Monday to Thursday when I tried to do it

[-] Snackuleata@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

Same, I'm currently working 40 hours a week 4 days a week. I'm lucky, though, since there's rarely anything I have to do in the extra 2hr/day, so I end up getting paid to read theory on my phone. But I can imagine if your boss sucks things would be different.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

Yeah, that's what a lot of people think it is.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

Wait, when people are talking about a 4-day workweek, they're talking about a 32-hour workweek?

[-] theturtlemoves@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

People who are forced to work fewer hours can often do more work in those fewer hours. Opposition to the four-day week, like opposition to free healthcare, does not even make economic sense. It is purely a form of sadism.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

There has been a few faint whispers about it in Denmark but these have been thoroughly beaten down. The prime minister, succdem chairman Mette Frederiksen, even went on stage and said something along the line of "some people are even talking about a four day work week. Forget it friends!", going on to rant about how people need to work more to ensure funding for the welfare state.

No major political party supports a four day work week except maybe for the radlib green Alternative party or maybe, on a good day, the eurocommunist Red-Greens. Both of these parties are completely politically irrelevant and is going to be so for years.

While nobody supports reducing people's workload, few seems more obsessed with increasing it than the succdems. It has been a fixation of theirs for at least a decade when then PM Helle Thorning Schmidt made great efforts to get people to work "just 12 minutes more" each day. That attempt, like most others of her administration, failed.

Last year Frederiksen's succdem-led right-wing regime fulfilled a long-held wet dream of succdem ghouls in the finance ministry by abolishing a public holiday, thereby increasing work hours. Their fixation on getting people to work more has even led them to toy with the idea of increasing opening hours in daycare to enable parents to work more. A prominent succdem minister (don't ask me who, I can't be bothered to keep track of these c*nts) felt compelled to write a long public condemnation of some harmless "simple living" grifter who had written a book about her family living to a small island to work less and have fewer possessions so they can spend more time together. Reading his ranting vitriol would give you the impression that it was people like her who was responsible for the crumbling welfare state and he was literally accusing her of being "unsolidaric" for not working "at least full time".

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