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submitted 7 months ago by Frank@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net

I've been trying to be helpful on the Helldivers sub. When people say "X is impossible and Y needs to be nerfed/buff I'd go earnestly say "okay this is how it works, and these are the tools you have, and here is how you can use those tools to solve the problem or succeed or overcome the situation.

And, invariably, what I get back is abuse and scorn and insults and incredulity. The poster, and the hundreds of people supporting them, don't want the solution to be within them. They don't want to hear that they have not mastered game systems, that they don't understand how the weapons and enemies work, that they're making mistakes that can be corrected or that they can learn new tactics that will grant them victory.

The problem cannot lie in them. The problem must be external. The game must be broken, or bugged, or the devs must be fools. They are good enough and skilled enough and smart enough to play on the highest difficulty, but they cannot win, so the highest difficulty is broken and the devs must mechanically reduce the difficulty until they can easily, effortlessly conquer, until their "power fantasy" of unlimited unearned prowess can be restored. If they are challenged, if they face difficulty, if they face hardship, that is a flaw in the game. All obstacles must be smoothed down. Their favorite weapon should be the ideal choice for all situations.

At first I was overjoyed at the opportunity to share my knowledge and expertise, to help others learn what I had learned and enjoy the sublime feeling of mastery.

Then i was confused, because the rejection of simple tactics, simple explanations of systems and ideas, must mean I was not communicating clearly enough. Surely, if I only found the right words?

Then, anger. Why won't they engage with these ideas? Why do they reject simple explanations clearly explained? Why do they insult and berate instead of questioning or interrogating? Where is the desire to grow, to overcome, to perfect?

Finally; contempt. I do not care. These fools, let them stew in their own ignorance and misery. What can be said to them? They cannot be educated, not because they are illiterate, but because they refuse the mere possibility of education. They refuse to accept the world as it is, instead demanding from god the utopia they surely deserve.

What can you say to someone like that? What can you do but sneer "git gud" and move on?

I'd never really questioned where the "git gud" cliche that Dark Souls players threw around so mercilessly came from. But now I suspect that I know.

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[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

Reminds me of playing (too much) Warframe. Managed to get a friend try it with me, and that was a trip.

So for the uninitiated in Warframe you play as a child soldier mentally piloting a warframe that's basically a robot space ninja shell. On the higher difficulty levels the enemies will mostly one- or twoshot you, so you have to keep moving and the game gives a lot of means for you to do all kinds of wild acrobatic shit. Every time you do something like that, the enemies get a debuff in hitting you, so an enemy goes from hitscan bullets to shooting wildly when you do a cool flip and slide through the air while putting 10inch blades into their eyeballs with your akimbo handcannons (the game is pretty fun).

I explained this all to my friend, and what does he do? Sits still behind cover and shoots with a sniper rifle, refuses to do any of the flippy shit and just keeps dying. After I carried him a few times he eventually stopped playing. My dude was always the one who found the most broken strat in any game and then complained that the game was boring as a result, I guess actually having to do a little bit of work for that was too much shrug-outta-hecks

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