Right, but how do you keep up the bit as you acknowledge that NATO destroyed Iraq, Libya, Somalia, former Yugoslavia, etc etc? Sometimes us 'tankies' joke about sending all the libs to the wall, 100 gorillion dead under gommunism, etc. but we rest easy knowing that those things didn't actually happen. For liberals, they look at real things the institutions they defend actually carried out, and have to deprive themselves of their humanity to say "yeah and we'll do it again "