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Three top nitrogen gas manufacturers in US bar products from use in executions
(www.theguardian.com)
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Your brain can function without oxygen for over 30 seconds. I see no reason why it wouldn't in a detached head.
The guillotine suffer from the same issue most execution methods used until now, they only seem "quick and painless". Nitrogen gas actually is painless.
Nitrogen gas will be found to be unsuitable for execution. I just hope people wake up to this before more people are tortured to death.
I really would like to know: The people who object to N2, if you could pick any reasonably practical execution method (but it has to be execution, no death by old age), what would you pick?
Pick? I'm not picking anything. N2 will be found to be unsuitable for execution for several reason. When I first heard they were exploring the idea, I knew scientifically what they were going for. But knew it would be implemented poorly and would never take individuals bodies and minds into the method. Book mark this comment as I'll be back every time this ends up "botched."
You know I've always wondered about pro execution people, do you trust government on a local and/or federal level enough to take a life? We know for a fact or justice system is corrupt, flawed, full of biases, and routinely gets it wrong. And you think they'll get N2 executions right? It's a simple idea but complex when actually attempted. You're going to trust the people that couldn't even make it as a police officer or lawyer to ensure the gas is pure enough, the room was made correctly to house the gas, or that the gas was applied long enough? These aren't the sharpest people doing the execution and are sick enough mentally to do said execution. So how about you pick or better yet why aren't you the person carrying out the execution since you are so knowledgeable about this?
First of all, if after all this time electric chair and lethal injection were not found unsuitable, I have zero faith this one would be (at least for the right reasons) regardless of botched attempts.
Second of all, I don't advocate for our corrupt governments to handle executions. I 100% agree they can't be trusted with this.
But there is no issue with the method itself, which is what this article is about and I am commenting on. Purity of the gas? What for? Unless there is so much oxygen the patient survives, it should not matter. Certainly not any trace amount you would have in industrial nitrogen supply.
Uhhhhhh what? The electric chair was found unsuitable and unconditional. But sure you're a rational party in this argument.
You mean unconstitutional? In the US? When?
It was effectively outlawed in 2008 by the Nebraska Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court didn't take up the case and effectively banned it by not accepting applies.
This would only ban it in Nebraska. Scotus not taking appeal is not the same as scotus taking the appeal and denying it and even that is not the same as scotus ruling it unconstitutional.
Especially if the lower court ruled based on Nebraska law or constitution. Scotus rejecting appeal to such is just standard: We don't care what states do. Which is the default in Federalism. States can ban things the Feds allow*.
* many exceptions may apply