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Ah, yes, nothing better than ignoring the facts, cherry-picking data, and blaming the victims to confirm one’s own biases!
Interesting, however, that in the sources, that you, yourself, provide lies the reality which undermines your own argument. If you weren’t so blinded by your own biases, you’d actually see the reality of the situation.
It seems that you, too, are another casualty of your own agenda. How predictable.
I'm sorry my lived experience and cited sources don't meet your expectations.
Fortunately, the disaster that started when 110 took effect in 2021 has a chance to reverse itself once the repeal takes place.
Come on out to Portland for a bit and see how "blind" I am.
You’re not sorry, you’re projecting your denial and pain and frustration and lack of ability to form a coherent argument on me. But the fact remains that your own sources back up what I have been saying and, while I’m sorry for your troubles, they would have been addressed if 110 had been fully realized and it’s your State government that let you down not me. So you should direct your hostility where it belongs— at the government that continues to fail you, not some stranger in the internet that is pointing that out to you.
I really am sorry for what’s happening in Oregon because the state couldn’t manage to pull off the responsibilities mandated by this bill. I really am. They failed the people of their state and, in failing to prove this bill could work, the whole nation. In theory it was a good bill, but the state just didn’t follow through on all of its commitments they needed to in order to make it work.
But you ignoring all of that in order to blame the victims is bullshit, and your own sources that you have linked here explain that in great detail.
110 was NEVER going to work because, unlike the Portugal model, it never mandated treatment.
Here's a $100 fine, call the number to make it go away.
Your average addicts response?
https://youtu.be/dz4HEEiJuGo#t=1m46s
What we needed to do was what they ACTUALLY do in Portugal:
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/09/18/oregon-measure-110-portugal/
"In Portugal, drug users must appear before a commission that determines whether the person needs treatment or should pay a civil penalty.
“They don’t just assume that everybody will pop into treatment on their own,” Humphreys said.
And the system includes other measures that don’t exist in Oregon. For example, the commission could suspend the driver’s license of a cab driver until after treatment, he said, giving state officials leverage over users.
In Oregon, police officers write $100 citations that are not criminal penalties. Drug users are supposed to pay the fine or call a hotline to be assessed for treatment. But addicts often ignore the citation and don’t follow up with treatment, according to news reports."
Portugal never mandated treatment. It require a hearing by a local board made of experts including medical personelle. The quote you cited is clear about this, but you state otherwise. And the quote correctly notes that Oregon does have this or some of the other additional measure.
More importantly, what is missing from the quote, is the boards rarely ever forced people into treatment. The article you quote goes on to state the following:
If that quote didn't drive home the central principles, this one should:
We didn't do that. Forcing people into treatment was never the solution.
Except that the Portugal model works, and especially because they actually provide the support that 110 was supposed to but failed to implement
Portugal works because they also have universal health care. :)
True, but they also have specific support systems for drug users that were set up to handle the sudden influx when they legalized drugs. Of course, the universal healthcare definitely helps!
But you’re kinda making my point for me. Oregon simply didn’t follow through with the “support” part of 110. If they had set all of that up and made it available when they actually made all the drugs legal, the outcome would’ve been very different.
Edit: this The Daily podcast from March 12 breaks it all down in great detail. I encourage you to give it a listen. I think you’ll find it in enlightening.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000648884958
And, again, Oregon ALREADY HAS support for addicts. The additional money was for the NEW volume that never materialized.
We don't need to spend millions and millions of dollars for what turned out to be the 137 people who called the hotline. That can be easily absorbed by the infrastructure we alreaady have.
The problem is NOT "well, thousands of people want help and can't get it." The problem is "thousands of people don't want help."
NO IT DOESN’T
Oregon hardly has enough support to handle the volume for the pre-legalization need. 110 was supposed to build out a massive infrastructure to deal with the existing need and more, including legal off-ramps for those who do get arrested, and a lot more. NONE of this got implemented as it was supposed to be. And there was a massive increase in need. Of course nobody asked for it— IT WASNT AVAILABLE. What about this is so hard for you to understand?
Yet, you keep pretending like it already existed before, and that none of it being implemented had zero effect on the outcome. This is a flat out misrepresentation of the facts.
Saying that nobody wanted help is just a flat out lie. You can’t ask for help that isn’t there. And no, there isn’t help available if no one implements the systems. All you have to offer is circular logic, and I’ve laid out the facts. Even your own article proves you wrong. I’ve linked a podcast that explains it very simply for you to understand. At this point, you have known to blame but yourself for ignoring the truth.
The toll free number WAS available and 15,863 of those ticketed DID NOT CALL THE NUMBER.
All they had to do was call it. They never made it that far. The number was active, it was funded, it was ready to direct people to services.
137 out of 16,000 actually called it.
That is NOT an insurmountable number for what is already available:
https://www.oregon.gov/oha/hsd/amh/pages/addictions.aspx
Because they knew that there was no real help available.
The more you keep relying on that single point, the more you prove that you have no understanding of this bill, what it was supposed to do, and how it failed the people.
All you’re doing is using circular logic based off your own ignorance, and you have already cited sources and I have already cited sources that debunk your one and only claim.
You can keep asserting this false claim over and over, but all it does is prove that you’re both wrong and ignorant of the matter at hand.
There IS real help available, and if they had actually bothered calling the number, they would have been directed to it.
The facts prove you’re wrong. Your own links prove you’re wrong. The link I provided prove you’re wrong.
At this point either you’re completely diluted or you’re lying. At least lying to yourself. Frankly, you seem to be the one who needs help.
I’m blocking you. So don’t bother replying.
Again, help IS available. All they had to do was call the number.
See here:
https://www.oregon.gov/oha/hsd/amh/pages/addictions.aspx
You're like Ray Charles if you think the issues in Portland are unique to Portland or that they began in 2021.
Portland wasn't a Max Headroom hellscape before 110.