Dang doping harms long-term health of athletes? Can we look at all the things that also harm to long-term health of athletes? Like the list of things that wreck athletes bodies is extremely long and PEDs at least when it comes to strength sport is minimal there's a ton of other things that do way more harm which you'd know if you were into strength sports but you aren't you don't care about sports and that's fine but then don't talk again no investigation no right to speak. Why is everyone extremely concerned about an athletes health when it comes to PEDs but no for example body weight or even practices of making weight, why do you if we come to it care about PEDs but not for example the extremely short time to recovery in sports like basketball after injuries that then have long term effects on those athletes? Again it's all vibes and you picked it up because some yanks were mad that their coked up athletes lost against soviet athletes that were using early steroids. And don't get me started on the transphobia that came with all this bullshit.

"Why aren't you talking about all these other things that aren't the subject of the conversation!?!?" Because the subject is PEDs, come on. In other threads I've agreed, say, that American football should either be wildly revised or banned because the current practice is sadistic, but we aren't talking about football here! I also agree that making weight represents serious problems, but they are difficult structural problems with how divisions work and not the relatively simple problem of having someone piss and testing it for evidence.

As someone with some personal experience in it, I have mixed opinions on martial arts (pun not intended), but I figure there at least getting the shit beat out of you is sort of what the sport fundamentally is -- and therefore plainly what you're signing up for -- instead of being a side-effect. idk, I'm biased, so even here I usually just read along without saying anything.

I do indeed not give a shit about lifting, but that's why I didn't talk about it.

fucking reddit tier take seriously, I guess it's better than doing a petersonian 'women wearing blush is like cum' but fucking do better

"I don't know how to contradict this, so I'll just free-associate an insult". There is no game without rules.

You know who is always being upset about people 'cheating' by taking PEDs? Fucking yanks that go on why some no name us oly weightlifter can't win because sterons when he can't even put up respectable numbers but it's not because the us sucks no it's because of the evil SEE SEE PEE and the sneaky rus

My only opinion on weightlifting is that it's cool that people from the DPRK seem to do so well in it. Again, you seem to be dragging in a bunch of tangential bugbears to have a tantrum about, but I'd appreciate if you didn't put that all on me.