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Those I share a space with typically conflict with each other, it's not like school where they would go at me, so I tend to not be in the know. The only exception is one tried getting back at the others by using me as a bargaining chip. As in he kept me at his house for 2 days.
I mean, I was all, ok juicy work drama, juicy work drama. Then I got to the last sentence, I think that goes beyond work drama.
I checked out at "it's not like school" but you got me to go back and read, yikes
That moment when I'm disqualified from a venting question for going over the meter.
It’s actually a pretty serious problem. It’s not so much that you’re disqualified, as that you’re ineffective at being heard.
This is a serious problem. Have you considered listening to great speeches, or rap, or poetry?
Not in particular, no. In what way are you suggesting I'd use that?
Listen to lots and lots of them. Absorb their patterns, to adopt those patterns, to improve your own communication.
Oh, that. I've tried that with other things. I'm finding it difficult, perhaps it's my mind going a different way.
Wat
You two said it was "beyond work drama" and came across like it was unfitting as a result. Are we only expected to describe events that go below a certain glass ceiling of conflict?
That was all you. We neither said nor implied any such thing.
The first comment you replied to contrasted things that seemed "beyond work drama" with the "juicy work drama" they were looking for.
Correct.
And that isn't supposed to send the message some of you think it's unfitting?
Also correct.
"What you just said goes way beyond the original topic" does not at all imply "shut the fuck up about it". That's an implication you created out of your own subconscious biases.
The discussion we're having right now has strayed pretty far from the original topic, but I'm not disapproving of it.
I never said it implied "shut up" if that's where the confusion comes from.
That means "shut up".
Or "dismissed."
I don't mean "shut up" though, those are on their own words put into my mouth. Something I don't aim to do in asking how implying my answer contrasts with the intention of the question doesn't in turn imply said answer is unfitting.
I have spoken.
Would you care to elaborate?
That's basically it. I was the closest thing that could be used against the others, which was out of spite. Only was solved due to passerbies who knew something was going on and where.
Wait, you were held against your will in a house by a coworker??
Yes
Please tell me you're the office cat or something.
If only
....we're you kidnapped or something?
Yes
Do you sometimes feel like people don’t take you seriously, even when you say very serious things?
Often, but in what way does that connect?
I feel my mind turning off, turning to teflon, when I read your comment. It made me wonder whether others have that experience too.
Here’s something interesting: social scientists have found that humans’ eyebrows dance when they talk to each other. The eyebrow dance is normally not consciously perceived, but it is synchronized between two individuals when they speak to one another.
What’s more is the eyebrow dance is literally a dance, not a conversation, specifically in the way it is timed. It is perfectly in sync, not offset as you’d expect a back-and-forth response pattern to be.
When this eyebrow dance synchronization is inhibited, for example by covering the speaker’s eyebrows, that speaker has an incredibly hard time getting information across.
This is a long-documented phenomenon in human culture: that people can be standing there conveying information and others can be hearing it but not picking it up.
Like one person can be saying “Our car crashed! My brother is badly hurt and he needs an ambulance! Can I use your phone?” and for various reasons another person can just stand there not processing any of it.
So really what I’m trying to say is that human communication is finicky and relies on maintenance of non-obvious parallel channels, and people can get cut off from others when those channels break down.
From reading your writing, and seeing how others respond, it makes me think there might be some channel based on word sequencing that’s not being adhered to.
I know from experience how much it sucks to be cut off and unseen, so I thought I’d point out for you that while I recognize what you’re saying is important, it doesn’t land in my feelings for some reason, and it feels related to how things are worded.
I genuinely can't tell if you're an elaborate troll, LLM, or just autistic.
I don't mean any of those as an insult, just to say that you have a very distinct prose that really comes through when you write more than a sentence, or two.
Given your post history, I'm leaning towards LLM, but I'm open to being wrong.
Is there any mechanism why which you could differentiate between these three, that can’t be fulfilled by reading my post history?
I am aware that I have a style. I’m proud to say that it’s a result of my trying not to.
Probably, but none that I'd actually invest my own time and effort into. I was just making an offhand observation, not starting an investigation.
The furthest I might be willing to go, would be to provide some constructive criticism, but I'd even have to mull that over i.e. weigh the risk I'm just helping fine-tune a LLM model, for free...so...yeah...
Does this eyebrow dance apply to neurodivergent individuals as well? I gather I wouldn't know if it's not consciously observed, but the feeling of eyebrow movement feels slightly alien to my muscle memory.
I don’t know whether they studied neurodivergent people or not, but from what I heard my hunch is no. They just treated the study pool as one distribution.
If I had to bet, I would bet that neurodivergent people’s eyebrow dances are disrupted, given how hard it is for ND people to be heard now matter how much sense they make.