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[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

I posted this in another thread for this meme:

Fun meme and all, but I somehow doubt the author has much experience working with children. Some kids are genuinely little terrors, in that everybody around them tends to have a bad time in their presence (adults, peers, and usually, the kid themselves). "We live in a society" and all that, so not being able to function within that society (especially as a minor since they don't even have the option of living off-grid in the woods as a hermit) is, sorry to say, a problem.

This is also a gross misrepresentation of ODD as defined by the DSM; here's a snippet of the diagnostic requirements (emphasis mine):

A pattern of angry/irritable mood, argumentative/defiant behavior, or vindictiveness lasting at least 6 months as evidenced by at least four symptoms of the following categories, and exhibited during interaction with at least one individual who is not a sibling:

Angry/Irritable Mood

Often loses temper
Is often touchy or easily annoyed
Is often angry and resentful

Argumentative/Defiant Behavior

Often argues with authority figures or, for children and adolescents, with adults
Often actively defies or refuses to comply with requests from authority figures or with rules
Often deliberately annoys others
Often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior

Vindictiveness

Has been spiteful or vindictive at least twice within the past 6 months

There's also additional qualifiers such as for frequency (they're not pathologizing having a bad day or two).

So no, your "eat the rich" and "ACAB" laptop stickers are not going to get you slapped with an ODD diagnosis.

[-] Maxxus@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago

As the parent of an ODD child thank you. I don’t have the energy left in me to try to explain to my “society”, let alone strangers on the internet, that my child is compulsively defiant due to an inflated fight/flight/freeze response. And no, your parenting opinions aren’t going to “solve” her behavior, if her psychiatrist, psychologist, and therapist don’t have magic answers.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 months ago

To be fair, doesn't your argument presuppose that all psychs are religiously following every recommended guideline to the letter? That seems like a stretch.

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

You're going to need to be more specific what you mean by "your argument"

[-] exocrinous@startrek.website 5 points 7 months ago

The argument from you. The argument constructed specifically by you. Your argument.

[-] experbia@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

so if you're regularly annoyed (1/4), angry (2/4) and spiteful (3/4) about being forced to participate in this exploitative system designed to bleed you dry until you die, you're ok still... but if you try to do anything about it (by arguing with or defying "authorities" in any way) you're an insane person that needs to be locked up and given drugs? cool. that's really convenient.

[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

You're taking the meme way too seriously. For one, drugs aren't a standard treatment for ODD. From the Mayo Clinic:

Treatment for oppositional defiant disorder primarily involves family-based interventions. But treatment may include other types of talk therapy and training for your child — as well as for parents. [...] Medicines alone generally aren't used for ODD unless your child also has another mental health condition.