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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

Seriously. There’s so many floating around. It feels like there’s a cycle of

Random programmer thinks xyz language sucks -> she/he makes a slightly different, slightly faster, slightly more secure version -> by luck this gains mass adoption-> random programmer thinks new xyz language sucks

I propose when the revolution comes and the last guillotine falls we decide a general-purpose programming language that coders should stick to. I vote Lisp or any of the dialects (scheme, clojure, racket), but i also feel something about the Julia language for scientific research. Maybe we can decriminalize using C. Absolutely ban and hunt down the use of any of the hipster languages teenagers are into these days.

Nim? Zig? Crystal?? I am absolutely losing my damn mind. It compiles to bytecode people. Make up ur damn minds. To jail with all of u

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[-] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

For example, Guile-JavaScript compiles Scheme to IR, then decompiles the IR and raises it to JavaScript.

Guile it is then. Also, that's pretty cool. You're saying Guile can compile scheme into javascript? I've been looking at clojurescript for this exact same purpose actually

[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yes. It can. But I believe some other Schemes can actually do this better, and the Scheme->JavaScript implementation for Guile is beyond, beyond unfinished.

You'll proboably have a better time with Guile Hoot, which compiles Scheme to WASM. It's also unfinished, but it's much more complete and currently making a lot of progress. It's meant to allow Goblins, an actor-based decentralized framework by the same people that made ActivityPub (Spritely Institute), to run on the web.

Also Guile's lead developer, and Hoot's project lead, Andy Wingo, may or may not be a Marxist - reading his blog, and watching some of his talks, I've noticed some references to Hegel and Lenin, but I'm not quite sure on this. He's also called out sexism at various developer conferences he's been to, from GNU Hackers' meetings to FOSDEM.

Did I mention Guile is a GNU Project?

[-] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago

Upon further reading, I conclude that he is based

A frequent objection to workplace change comes in the form of a pandering explanation of what companies are for, that corporations are legally obligated to always proceed along the the most profitable path.

I always find it extraordinarily ignorant to hear this parroted by people in tech: it's literally part of the CS canon to learn about the limitations of hill-climbing as an optimization strategy. But on the other hand, I do understand; the power of just-so neoliberal narrative is immense, filling your mind with pat explanations, cooling off your brain into a poorly annealed solid mass.

The funny thing about corporate determinism that it's not even true. Folks who say this have rarely run companies, otherwise they should know better. Loads of corporate decisions are made with a most tenuous link on profitability, and some that probably even go against the profit interest. It's always easy to go in a known-profitable direction, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to go, nor that all the profitable directions are known.

[-] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

reading his blog

Quote from his blog

Then, with luck, you meet the world: you build, you organize, you invest, you double down. And in that doubling, the ideas waver, tremble, resonate, imperceptibly at first, reinforced in some ways, impeded in others. The world works in specific ways, too, and you don’t really know them in the beginning: not in the bones, anyway. The unknowns become known, enumerate themselves, dragons everywhere; and in the end, what can you say about them? Do you stand in a spot that can see anything at all? Report, observe, yes; analyze, maybe, eventually; prophesize, never. Not any more.

And then, years later, you are still here. The things you see, the things you know, other people don’t: they can’t. They weren’t here. They aren’t here. They hear (and retell) stories, back-stories, back-back-stories, a whole cinematic universe of narrative, and you know that it’s powerful and generative and yet unhinged, essentially unmoored and distinct from reality, right and even righteous in some ways, but wrong in others. This happen in all domains: macroeconomics, programming languages, landscape design, whatever. But you see. You see through stories, their construction and relation to the past, on a meta level, in a way that was not apparent when you were young.

I tell this story (everything is story) as an inexorable progression, a Hegelian triptych of thesis-antithesis-synthesis; a conceit. But there are structures that can to get you to synthesis more efficiently. PhD programs try: they break you down to allow you to build. They do it too quickly, perhaps; you probably have to do it again in your next phase, academia or industry, though I imagine it’s easier the second time around. Some corporate hierarchies also manage to do this, in which when you become Staff Engineer, you become the prophet.

[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

He also makes a reference to "What is to be done?" in one of his talks. Or maybe it was a blog post. It was somewhere.

Anyways, what do you think?

[-] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago

Oh snapp

Andy Wingo's Blog

OK here it is: just pay everyone in a company the same hourly wage.

[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

He also works at a cooperative, Igalia.

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