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nice argument however i have depicted you as a rule
(lemmy.cafe)
Audre Lorde
“I am not free while any woman is unfree, even when her shackles are very different from my own.“
I mean a big part of the conflict is absolutely religious extremism precluding the possibility of a unified Palestinian secular democracy. I don't fully understand why some in the LGBT community seem to give Islam a pass on this.
no one is giving anyone a pass. it’s possible to condemn both genocidal violence and religious extremism.
hope this helps.
Oh absolutely. Netanyahu is legitimately evil and needs to be dealt with. But I have legitimately seen LGBT people on here defending Hamas as heroes and I just don't get it. Indiscriminate rape and murder of civilians isn't right when Hamas does it, or when Netanyahu does it.
when you see this call them the fuck out and report it. such defense of terrorism would be abhorrent and in violation of community/site rules.
but gtfo of my comments implying that condemning genocide and defending Hamas are at all the same. that is not the conversation being had.
im trying to be kind here but what you are doing right now is called astroturfing and it’s gross.
I think people are free to genuinely disagree on nuance. Though I believe we generally agree.
The issue is that people see the rise of Hamas as the reason democracy failed in Gaza, rather than the result of Netanyahu's efforts to undermine every attempt at Palestinian democracy since the Oslo Accords. When attempts at peace were rejected by the occupying force that kept Palestinians imprisoned in their own lands, Palestinians lost faith that they'd ever see results from it. Hamas obtained Gaza because Israel refused to support the PLO and work towards a 2 state solution.
The fascists in Israel knew that by simply refusing to allow progress, they would empower regression towards hatred and terrorism. They knew the US wouldn't do shit to pressure them properly during that critical window, because the US gives borderline unconditional support as long as Israel remains their ally. Judeo-fascists have done everything they could to steal autonomy away from Palestinians, so I see Israel as more responsible for Hamas than the Palestinian population.
They fed a monster for decades as an excuse to commit ethnic cleansing. If Israel wanted to avoid genocide, they should have fed those pushing for a two state solution. Their failure to do so has killed thousands of innocents and endangered the entire region. The focus must be on removing Israeli fascists and giving support to Palestinians, not giving support to Israelis and removing Palestinian fascists. Hamas can die by being starved, or by killing all Palestinians. Occupation probably wouldn't work without a huge sacrifice of IDF soldiers, whereas starving Hamas of support would mostly cost money through the removal of settlements and returning land. We have benevolence or genocide, and I don't see benevolence in the cards.