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The guy who you think wants to "clean up the environment" told Jordan Peterson that governments were using the climate crisis to control people. So why would he use the power of government to clean up the environment?
Also, I have no idea what you think science is, but it isn't that.
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If you actually listen to him talk rather than just fishing for gotchas, you'd see he points out that the government currently operates in the name of corporations - subsidies, liability protection, use of force. This is a big part of the problem in the ongoing proliferation of fossil fuel extraction and consumption. It's not as irrational as you make it out to be, to defend personal individual rights while still directing the power of government to clean up the environment.
I was not "fishing for gotchas." I heard the discussion. He was using denialist talking points. And Peterson was even more so with no pushback from Kennedy.
No pushback? The video you linked shows him leading with the fact that global warming is real and significant. And in other videos he has expanded more on that, clearly stating that it is an existential risk.
But in this video, he said that this (real) crisis could/would be used to further totalitarian controls. That's not denial, that's "yes and".
As I mentioned, it's rational to defend personal individual rights while still directing the power of government to clean up the environment.
That's absolutely a denial. That is not the real crisis. The real crisis is the possible end of humanity due to climate change, caused by humanity.
Obviously. But you are aware that there can be multiple crises at once, and that some people may be more aware of / concerned about one than the other?
And yet RFK doesn't think the most important one is actually the most important. And uses denialist talking points. And doesn't challenge the person in the room with him when he also uses denialist talking points.
You keep repeating this as if that will make it true. But you literally linked to a video where he leads by clarifying that the crisis is real in response to Peterson's rhetoric.
You're just making this up to try to put words in his mouth. This is harmful for actually finding solutions. Again, he has described it as an "existential" problem. RFK Jr is trying to address concerns, because that's necessary when people have concerns, but you'd rather pretend other concerns don't exist as if that were a way to achieve anything.
Yes, you can clarify something is real and still diminish it by using denialist talking points. It's something many of them do. I'm amazed you don't know that. Peterson himself does it all the time.
And I'm not making anything up. I listened to the words he said.