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Why YSK: I’ve noticed in recent years more people using “neoliberal” to mean “Democrat/Labor/Social Democrat politicians I don’t like”. This confusion arises from the different meanings “liberal” has in American politics and further muddies the waters.

Neoliberalism came to the fore during the 80’s under Reagan and Thatcher and have continued mostly uninterrupted since. Clinton, both Bushs, Obama, Blair, Brown, Cameron, Johnson, and many other world leaders and national parties support neoliberal policies, despite their nominal opposition to one another at the ballot box.

It is important that people understand how neoliberalism has reshaped the world economy in the past four decades, especially people who are too young to remember what things were like before. Deregulation and privatization were touted as cost-saving measures, but the practical effect for most people is that many aspects of our lives are now run by corporations who (by law!) put profits above all else. Neoliberalism has hollowed out national economies by allowing the offshoring of general labor jobs from developed countries.

In the 80’s and 90’s there was an “anti-globalization” movement of the left that sought to oppose these changes. The consequences they warned of have come to pass. Sadly, most organized opposition to neoliberal policies these days comes from the right. Both Trump and the Brexit campaign were premised on reinvigorating national economies. Naturally, both failed, in part because they had no cohesive plan or understanding that they were going against 40 years of precedent.

So, yes, establishment Democrats are neoliberals, but so are most Republicans.

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[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Globalism when used by like 95% of people includes dropping immigration restrictions, so I'm not sure what you're on about here.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not really. They emphasize "legal" immigration, by which they mean a series of restrictions on how people are allowed to enter the country and what qualifies them to become citizens. The actual implementation of neoliberal policies always includes strict border controls, limited asylum seeking, 2nd class citizenship for migrants, and harsh penalties for migrating "wrong" and not jumping through all the legal and financial hoops.

Capital moving freely while migrants die in the Mojave and drown in the Mediterranean.

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Again, 95% of people who use the term "globalist" to describe someone else associate it with open borders. I'm not sure what you're on about here.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

People who describe themselves as globalists generally reject the idea of open borders. Labor visas, not the free movement of labor.

What you're talking about is a smear, not reality.

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

I describe myself as a globalist and I explicitly believe in open borders. I'm not sure what you're on about here.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think it's pretty clear "what I'm on about." I've explained it pretty thoroughly, even if you keep just repeating yourself.

What are you on about?

Do you believe in the concept of citizenship, with different legal rules for citizens vs noncitizens?

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

I think pragmatically you need to have some basis for taxing a subset of people, and thus those people will have to be "citizens" subject to certain different rules- but most privileges and duties should apply to residents irrespective of their citizenship status. That's basically how US state borders work and those borders are considered "open" even though there is a concept of state citizenship.

As long as states exist, citizenship has to exist, but that doesn't mean we should regulate who can enter, live, and work in our country on the basis of origin, social class, or other things that aren't like "is this person entering to escape from a crime in their country that we would have punished" or "is this person entering to start a fascist uprising" etc.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Living within the US, I don't need to apply for citizenship every time I move to a different state. The law applies to me equally even if I only just crossed the border for lunch, and the only special rules are related to residency; as long as I live in a state I count as a resident, I can vote and send my kids to school and have to pay taxes etc.

That is what open borders actually looks like. That is what the free movement of labor means. Residency, not citizenship.

Globalists do not want this. They need hard borders and citizenship to control the movement of labor. Work visas can be revoked, are tied to a place of employment, and are temporary. Perfect labor units for neoliberal capitalism.

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

That's basically what US citizenship looked like at the outset of America- until the Immigration Act was passed, you sent a letter to your local Justice of the Peace declaring your intent to remain in America and that commemorated your citizenship.

As previously stated, I am a globalist and I agree with open borders.

[-] afraid_of_zombies2@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Downplay your views on student loans

[-] queermunist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Surely you remember citizenship wasn't available to everyone back then.

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

What does that have to do with anything?

[-] afraid_of_zombies2@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Cough.....student loans...cough

[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

What does that have to do with globalism?

[-] afraid_of_zombies2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Deflecting is when you bring up something totally irrelevant to the subject matter. Nobody asked my opinion on student loans in this thread, and it's not germaine to globalism.

[-] afraid_of_zombies2@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I have repeatedly asked you. I am asking again right here right now.

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