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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Arenge@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

Shouldn't have said anything, now I'm getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible sad-boi

Also while apparently it can't be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn't lose, we should not worry because they haven't seen that much electoral success

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[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ukraine is the true litmus test for leftists when it comes to international geopolitics.

You will really find out which of those who call themselves leftists will be the ones doing the bidding for imperialists when revolutions finally arrive at the imperial core.

One of the most interesting observations that this whole Ukraine war revealed is just how stark the difference in position is between leftists in the imperial core versus leftists in the Global South. The vast majority of the latter immediately recognized why Russia is on the correct side of the history, while the former spent months arguing and failing to understand how imperialism works.

It’s almost like victims of abusers can immediately recognize abusive behavior in others, while abusers themselves keep failing to understand, “how is this an abuse? she hit me first!”. That doesn’t mean victims can’t be shitty themselves, but it certainly doesn’t make them less of a victim of abuse.

Even most countries that do not have a left wing government, let alone AES, stood with Russia and refused to participate while the Western imperialists asked them to sanction Russia. It is truly one of those times when the Global South finally stood up against their imperialist oppressors and refused to do their bidding.

OP, you are from the imperial core, I suppose?

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

Idk, I think gaza is a better litmus test. You can easily be misinformed about Ukraine being good.

I think it's harder for leftists to get Gaza wrong.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is why Ukraine is the litmus test. Even libs could see the genocide taking place in Gaza.

But to understand the Ukraine war, you really need to understand how imperialism works, not the lib definition of “conquering a foreign territory”.

[-] goog@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

Yes it also was a dead giveaway for all of the "comrades" who do nothing other than treat it like a foregone conclusion the Zionists will succeed. They frame all of their objections that way. Morally. Liberals, ultras who see Hamas as an imperialist proxy, people like that. The stragglers who have nothing other than propaganda addiction tempered by discomfort. Ukraine/Palestine people are always liberal Zionists.

[-] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

It's a litmus test for whether someone's views on geopolitics be taken seriously, not a moral purity test. Someone can be a good person and be wrong about Ukraine, that only partly overlaps with having good politics.

[-] imikoy@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Also, genocide in Gaza has resulted in the countries going against it, in ICJ, I don't remember seeing anything similar about the war in Ukraine

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

Ukraine has actually lost a case at the ICJ recently to do with issues around the war.

[-] imikoy@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

I thought the general opinion was that of indifference, rather than explicit support? I didn't research this well, so I would like to get more info.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago

It takes more than indifference for Global South countries to stand up to Western imperialism, especially against the US which controls the global access to dollar and to trade.

[-] imikoy@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago
[-] goog@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

General opinion among which groups? If you investigate you'll find out how specific it really is.

[-] imikoy@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I just need to research this. I currently don't know any news article that had talked about explicit support from countries like Chile (random country that I've remembered), I quess this is the best place to look into.

[-] goog@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I just don't think very highly of eurocommunists or the KKE or PSV or certain US parties which are under the umbrella of "sectarianism" and therefore immune to criticism here <3

In fact the more I actually explain it to you, the shorter my time here will be

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