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Idk, I think gaza is a better litmus test. You can easily be misinformed about Ukraine being good.
I think it's harder for leftists to get Gaza wrong.
This is why Ukraine is the litmus test. Even libs could see the genocide taking place in Gaza.
But to understand the Ukraine war, you really need to understand how imperialism works, not the lib definition of “conquering a foreign territory”.
Yes it also was a dead giveaway for all of the "comrades" who do nothing other than treat it like a foregone conclusion the Zionists will succeed. They frame all of their objections that way. Morally. Liberals, ultras who see Hamas as an imperialist proxy, people like that. The stragglers who have nothing other than propaganda addiction tempered by discomfort. Ukraine/Palestine people are always liberal Zionists.
It's a litmus test for whether someone's views on geopolitics be taken seriously, not a moral purity test. Someone can be a good person and be wrong about Ukraine, that only partly overlaps with having good politics.
Also, genocide in Gaza has resulted in the countries going against it, in ICJ, I don't remember seeing anything similar about the war in Ukraine
Ukraine has actually lost a case at the ICJ recently to do with issues around the war.