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Iran has struck Israel.

previous preambleThe continuing fall of the remains of the British Empire is pretty entertaining from the outside: an archaic royal family that is seemingly being smote with disease by God itself for their past crimes; a navy that virtually no longer functions, ramming into foreign ports and under constant repair; and an economy that cannot seem to stop sputtering, fucked whether they're in the EU or outside it. Watching the impacts on people from the inside is a little more worrying, though.

A fifth of the population is in poverty, including nearly a third of all children. These figures have barely shifted since the Labour government in the early 2000s, aside from a decreasing poverty rate for pensioners. Actually, poverty hasn't substantially shifted since Margaret Thatcher. Before her, the poverty rate was around 14%, but her catastrophic policies caused a major increase, and poverty levels since then are still 50% higher than over 50 years ago, because neoliberal economic policy since then has not fundamentally changed. Parties and corporations have impoverished the usual vulnerable groups, such as large families, minority ethnic groups (including half of Pakistani and Bangladeshi households!) and disabled people. These differences are also regional, with the North more impoverished than the richer Southeast (but some of the poorest boroughs are in London, so it's a complex pattern).

With Corbyn's defeat in 2019 mere months before the pandemic began, the Labour Party shifted back towards the right, with left-wingers purged from the party if they did not kowtow to Keir Starmer. This leaves us with a situation where the only substantial difference between the two parties would be on social policy, but it goes without saying that economic policy is the overwhelming factor that determines if minorities can have a decent life. Worker-oriented movements since then have been largely not under the umbrella of major party leaderships, such as the Don't Pay movement in late 2022 that arose in the wake of dramatically rising energy prices where 3 million people vowed to not pay them (which did lead to results).

Most notably recently is the major upset in the constituency of Rochdale - the victory of George Galloway - who is the leader of the Workers Party of Britain, which describes itself as both socialist and socially conservative. This took place both in the context of aforementioned economic troubles, as well as anger over Israel's genocide of Gaza in the British population, especially in British Muslims. It remains to be seen how much of this is an isolated event, especially as Corbyn has, understandably, refused to collaborate with Galloway due to his socially conservative stances. The UK general election will be held at some point within the next 9 months or so, and might well be a shitshow depending on what happens domestically and geopolitically before then; parallels to the current American electoral shitshow with increasing anger over Biden are pretty apparent. The Conservatives are quite likely to lose given 14 years of uninspired rule if current polling is correct, but it truly is a race to the bottom.


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https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

The general election is this year? Does Corbyn have a chance at all?

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm very conflicted on Corbyn, because on the one hand he is one of the few politicians on the planet outside of a socialist country that I do have genuine fondness for, but on the other hand, his leadership simply wasn't that effective. He might have won in 2019 had the media not totally banded against him, but he should have been much stricter on the party. It's the Western "anti-authoritarian" liberal brainworms in action I suppose - you enact any discipline as a left-winger and an instant later, people are photoshopping ushankas and Stalin's mustache onto you, but that's just what you need to do as a goddamn leader sometimes, and he's simply not a very good leader in that regard. So I don't think it would be a good idea for him to actually lead some kind of third party. Create one with his influence, absolutely - and he's a coward for not doing that - but actually lead it? Unless he's learned his lessons, then no.

It's a shame that Galloway has his socially conservative views, because he's exactly the kind of brash personality that I and many others have been wanting for so long.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

It's a shame that Galloway has his socially conservative views, because he's exactly the kind of brash personality that I and many others have been wanting for so long.

I really fucking vibe with this. If Galloway would drop his fucking reactionary shtick he would get the whole left to rally behind him and build a new thing.

I don't fucking understand why we can't have the best of both worlds, a hard leader that also encompasses the full breadth of the liberatory left. I don't know why the choice is repeatedly either a soft leader who is correct or a hard leader who comes with reactionary bullshit baggage.

I think a lot of British leftists have had their brains completely melted by fighting for so long. The "radicals" are institutionalised in a way that fails to present any threat to the system.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I’ve been thinking, does a leader come before a movement, or do you need to develop a movement first and a leader will naturally appear out of the movement?

Like, if you were to establish a vanguard party in the UK, how would that work? If you have a small group of revolutionaries fomenting a movement, will a leader emerge out of the movement as it grows larger? Or you need a strong charismatic leader to propel the movement in the first place?

It’s kind of a chicken and egg question and I can’t seem to figure out how does one begin. In Russia and China, those were chaotic times and there were already a bunch of politically aware people involved in all kinds of movements interweaving with all kinds of historic events, and it’s hard to identify the origin of such vanguard revolutionary movement.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

It's both. We are in a perpetual state of struggle where everything is in motion. The struggle itself creates the movement and the struggle itself creates the leader of the movement.

What is taking place is a consistent rolling through of different ideas and tactics that fail and become checked off in the "this tactic has failed" list of people's minds. Once that has occurred they move onto the next. "Why did that idea fail? Because we had a weak leader? Ok lets get a strong leader."

The next stage is determining why the strong leader fails. And what needs to be different in order for it to succeed. I can already pre-empt that: The strong leader fails because the left is divided. The general left will not collaborate with Galloway and his ilk because of his social conservatism. Corbyn has outright refused to work with him. The failure here is the division of the left, this has to be resolved but through what means? Through the collapse of the socially progressive left or the collapse of the socially conservative left. What answer people come to when asking themselves these questions will determine what tactic they pursue after him.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago

Yeah I was just meeting some of the more known members of the British communist movement that had ties with Galloway's group and I'm surprised by how much ideologically alike we are and get along famously while discussing shit like stalin-era green policies to offset their rapid industrialization, dunking on the French, and even talking about the urgent need to reform the agricultural industry to end animal cruelty while ensuring the people have a quality balanced and healthy diet, etc.

But when it comes to discussing Trans issues it's like a damn line in the sand where they become indistinguishable from the hogs. Like thankfully they had tact to stay silent on it when my Trans comrades were around and talk about things we all hold in common but whenever a conversation would lead to lgbtq+ issues the switch would flip and I'd have to spend a decent chunk of time trying to get the conversation away from the topic.

It was pretty frustrating having folks you agree with on an overwhelming number of topics but have one of them where there's a clear break of differences that you'd know would be irreconcilable if pressed.

I don't really envy you folks over the pond with your divided communist movement. But I'd honestly say the same thing about us Yankees if I was in your shoes lmao.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

It's so incredibly divisive it's ridiculous. They call trans people and capitalist pushing the trans on people the "divisive" ones but the reality is that these people are drawing this line, not the rest of the left.

It's fucking ridiculous. If we can blast through this issue somehow we will have something incredibly powerful going but I don't know how. It's so hard headed. These are intelligent fucking people on every single other fucking thing but they are letting prejudices and heebie jeebies get the better of them on this one.

One thing I do have to say about it is that all the men that I meet that have this problem all feel like they're men that have something to prove about masculinity, they are men that want to be MEN, the women on the other hand barely exist. There is a serious sexism issue going on.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

It's wild that one of the women I met had the same thing to say as you about the English side of the movement, we even shared a good laugh over calling it a bit too much of a hooliganish boys club at times. Said that the gap between gender representation heavily unbalances the movement and isolates the movement from a whole wide swath of the working class.

I was screaming internally when she said that.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's a very real problem. Hooliganish is one way to put it, what I tend to describe it as however is less football and more pub-reactionary. I feel it is connected to british drinking culture, which is unique among all the cultures of europe as we have huge binge drinking issues here. The problem is that these people imagine a specific kind of person as "working class", they are a caricature though, created from the experiences of what a "hard" bloke seems like after a long night of binge drinking and getting turfed out into the streets, where shit always hits the fan between the drinking, those looking for fights, and the cops that always make things worse.

This experience shapes what these men imagine as the working class man of britain. But it's just a caricature, a minority of dickheadish after pub/nightclub behaviour. This caricature though is something a lot of these boys and man-boys want to be though, they see it as "hard", they like it.

It has its uses I will say. This type of person is significantly more likely to be up for a scrap, or up to doing a bit of crime. But it comes with the baggage of social/cultural behaviours perceived to be attached to being this "hard" man.

If this image were to change, if being pro-lgbt were to become attached to this image of the drunk man after pubs/nightclubs, then their caricature would change with it. They are pandering to this image and they would continue to pander to this image if it were to shift form a bit.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

I believe I do agree. A more balanced and all-encompassing perception of the working class is needed. It would be one thing if you had a balanced perception and decided to focus on sections for tactical reasons as a part of some plan or another. But it feels like folks are eagerly wearing horse blinders and outright proud to miss the forest for a few trees.

I can only hope recruiting and retaining more diversity can help balance out the internal culture of the movement among the brits

[-] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago

hes not gonna do shit, hed have to split the party and hes too much of a coward to do that

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

it's crazy to me, how does Corbyn not want revenge against the guy who tor🅱️edoed his run for PM? you're just going to let the guy who said "shutting off electricity, food, fuel, etc. is awesome" walk his way to becoming PM?

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No sign of a Corbyn party, only rumours but I don't know what's happening with that.

Greens are going to get a big protest vote and Galloway's party might see significant numbers. We'll see. Oddly I think despite Galloway being terf and genuinely using trans issues to gain popularity with reactionaries his effort is probably the best one long-term for trans people. I know that sounds weird but there's way more hope with ideological competition than without.

One way or another Labour literally can't lose it. But today's Labour is just the Tories from 10 years ago.

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