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Iran has struck Israel.

previous preambleThe continuing fall of the remains of the British Empire is pretty entertaining from the outside: an archaic royal family that is seemingly being smote with disease by God itself for their past crimes; a navy that virtually no longer functions, ramming into foreign ports and under constant repair; and an economy that cannot seem to stop sputtering, fucked whether they're in the EU or outside it. Watching the impacts on people from the inside is a little more worrying, though.

A fifth of the population is in poverty, including nearly a third of all children. These figures have barely shifted since the Labour government in the early 2000s, aside from a decreasing poverty rate for pensioners. Actually, poverty hasn't substantially shifted since Margaret Thatcher. Before her, the poverty rate was around 14%, but her catastrophic policies caused a major increase, and poverty levels since then are still 50% higher than over 50 years ago, because neoliberal economic policy since then has not fundamentally changed. Parties and corporations have impoverished the usual vulnerable groups, such as large families, minority ethnic groups (including half of Pakistani and Bangladeshi households!) and disabled people. These differences are also regional, with the North more impoverished than the richer Southeast (but some of the poorest boroughs are in London, so it's a complex pattern).

With Corbyn's defeat in 2019 mere months before the pandemic began, the Labour Party shifted back towards the right, with left-wingers purged from the party if they did not kowtow to Keir Starmer. This leaves us with a situation where the only substantial difference between the two parties would be on social policy, but it goes without saying that economic policy is the overwhelming factor that determines if minorities can have a decent life. Worker-oriented movements since then have been largely not under the umbrella of major party leaderships, such as the Don't Pay movement in late 2022 that arose in the wake of dramatically rising energy prices where 3 million people vowed to not pay them (which did lead to results).

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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 70 points 7 months ago
[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 51 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

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The US and its allies believe major missile or drone strikes by Iran or its proxies against military and government targets in Israel are imminent, in what would mark a significant widening of the six-month-old conflict, according to people familiar with the intelligence.
The potential assault, possibly using high-precision missiles, may happen in the coming days, the people said, requesting anonymity to discuss confidential matters. It is seen as more a matter of when, not if, one of the people said, based on assessments from US and Israeli intelligence.

Interesting that Iran (according to US intelligence) plans to target both military and government facilities, and not just military facilities. Makes sense since a diplomatic facility in Syria was targeted. An eye for an eye.

Israel’s Western allies have been told Israeli government and military facilities may be targeted but civilian facilities are not expected to be, they said. US officials are helping Israel on planning and sharing intelligence assessments, the people said. Israel has told allies it is waiting for this attack to take place before launching another ground offensive against Hamas in Rafah in Gaza, though it’s not clear how soon that operation may begin.

So Israel plan to use the Iranian attack to justify a ground invasion of Rafah. So I guess that's the propaganda angle Israel will use to sell this to it's western allies. Hopefully the public will not fall for such manipulation. Though I unfortunately think this propaganda trick will work on the western public.

US and Western intelligence indicates an attack from Iran and its proxies may not necessarily come from Israel’s north, where Tehran’s ally Hezbollah in Lebanon is located, the people said.
Israeli officials are in agreement with the allied view. They’ve also publicly threatened Iran that if it hits Israeli soil, Israel will hit Iranian soil.

Well yeah Iran have ballistic missiles with a long enough range to hit Israel from within their own borders, they do not need to use Lebanon and Hezbollah as a staging ground. With the mention of "Iranian proxies" here, it's important to note that the Houthis have attempted to strike Israeli ports with ballistic missiles launched from within Yemen, but the missiles were intercepted in space.

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 50 points 7 months ago

the six-month-old conflict

Oh give me a fucking break. Anyway....

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 43 points 7 months ago

Though I unfortunately think this propaganda trick will work on the western public.

Not here in the UK.

There isn't a single supporter of Palestine that currently exists that will change their position to one of support or acceptance of any Israel action against Rafah.

Anyone that accepts that wasn't a supporter of Palestine to begin with.

[-] MrPiss@hexbear.net 40 points 7 months ago

I'm fearful that during the possible attack that something happens that can fully justify the Great Satan getting involved like the US embassy getting hit. The Little Satan might also do something as a false flag once they see missiles in the air.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 36 points 7 months ago

Get ready for 4000 beheaded babies this time around

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

I don't think it matters whether they hit US assets or not - there's no scenario where Iran attacks Israel and the US doesn't get involved.

[-] MrPiss@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago

My concern is more a matter of the scale of involvement and how quickly the Burgerreich is allowed and able to escalate. If there's something "reasonable" to use as atrocity propaganda we could have a day where a decade happens.

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

hm, honestly it might not be a bad idea for Iran to just wait and let the zionists sit in fear waiting for the other shoe to drop. They've taken a bunch of disruptive measures like GPS jamming their own major cities, effectively neutering civilian travel especially air and sea. Surely they won't be able to do that long term and then they can hit them hard when they eventually let their guard down again. And if they really do want to use an iranian attack to justify a rafah invasion, well they are delaying such an invasion by waiting as well, which is going to piss off the IDF and hardliners.

Of course Iran has domestic pressure to retaliate soon as well, so waiting too long may just make them look weak. Still, the fear they are cultivating in the enemy is something they could take advantage of.

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

"They’ve also publicly threatened Iran that if it hits Israeli soil, Israel will hit Iranian soil again"

fixed

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 43 points 7 months ago

fuck, I want Iran to obliterate Tel Aviv but also I have family in Iran

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 35 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sticking to my script since 2022, doubt it (Iran directly attacking Israel) happens

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I mean the Houthis have already attempted to strike ports in Israel with ballistic missiles launched from Yemen last year. It's just that those attempts failed due to the missiles being intercepted in space. So a member of the resistance has already attempted to directly attack Israel. It already has happened in a way, it was just a failed attack.

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago

True, I’ll clarify that I mean I strongly doubt that Iran specifically acts. Proxies, sure, but the week/decade of iran vs Israel is probably not going to be this week

[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago

Looks like a week where a decade happens is incoming. Writing's been on the wall for a while, we'll see if this is the Thing that explodes into the widespread regional war we've all been predicting.

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago

theres a NOTAM or not NOTAM going on above Tehran

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago
[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

The NOTAM is real but the rumor about all flights being grounded is false

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

Gotcha my mistake

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

going to bed , you tell me if something happens..

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This?

Edit: for geographical context

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

Iran needs the bomb like, yesterday. I genuinely worry that if we get into a tit-for-tat, “israel” will massively escalate with a nuke dropped on Tehran. The only thing that will stop “israel” will be if Iran has an ability to respond in kind (because it sure as hell won’t be the nonexistent Zionist concern for the lives of anyone who isn’t a Zionist).

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

Putin just needs to announce Russia's MAD umbrella applies to Iran, and that if they are nuked, Russia will respond

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