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Yeah man, some of the coolest concepts I've ever read were in that series. The crusader's ship that fucking demolishes their bodies from hyper acceleration and then rebuilds them during flight, all without their knowledge, was wild! My biggest fear about it being a series is that idk if there's a way to create the Shrike in a live action recreation without making it look cheesy. The Shrike definitely benefits from the fogginess in the theater of the mind.
Yeah they'd have to do a LOT of R&D to make sure the Shrike looks suitably terrifying. The speed of it wouldn't be a problem, they could get all the people who worked on The Flash!
I've been pleasantly surprised with TV versions of late. I didn't watch Foundation until S02 dropped, I just saw no way they could do a show set over aeons. They've taken a lot of artistic license and I've heard from many who loved the books saying they're unhappy with that, but I really enjoyed it. Three Body Problem season one was also fantastic, so fingers crossed that gets a second season (apparently it was very expensive to make so S01 may be all we get unfortunately).
I couldn't get past the first few episodes of The Foundation. I'm one of those people who read the books who wasn't happy with what they did for the show. It did look beautiful though, absolutely amazing.
Three Body Problem was excellent. They had a budget of 20 or 30 million dollars per episode though. I've been thinking about watching the Chinese version to see how it ends, since that version is finished, but I doubt they can make a show look as good as the Netflix one. The only part of that show that I didn't like was Augie. Man, that's the worst character I've ever seen. Not only is she terribly written, but she's a terrible actor, and terribly miscast. The most unbelievable part of that show was that Augie would have any friends, and it's a show about outer space aliens! LOL. But overall I really enjoyed the show. I watched the entire season in two days.
Tbh I did strongly expect massive changes to the Asimov books. They were written quite some time ago in a different social climate... I read the entire Asimov collection over lockdown and while he's an excellent writer (reading other authors after a year of Asimov was like wading through treacle!), with massive inventive potential, I remember thinking to myself reading a lot of the stories "Well. That wouldn't wash in this century". Mostly casual sexism.
I imagine the showrunners read the source material and thought "Oh no, there's no lead women characters. That's not going to go down very well" and then the changes cascaded from there. Still a very enjoyable show, just have to try and disengage from the OG source material.
Fingers crossed for 3BP season 2! The bit with the ship and the military nanofibers was gruesome as fuck, I can get why the Augie character would've been very unhappy about that haha. But yeah I also found her character a bit annoying.
The sex of the characters honestly never even occurred to me in the foundation TV series. What I didn't like about it is that they seemed to be making it a show about people, and the original stories are about concepts. They play out over thousands of years, and the individual characters only serve to illustrate those concepts. So a lot of the character interactions weren't Asimov, who is an excellent writer, they were Apple TV writers, who aren't even in the same category as one of the greats. It seemed contrived to me, and I got bored. I'm glad that people enjoyed it though. Even though it was changed, it's cool that newer generations are still being exposed to Asimov.
Asimov is a great creative story teller, but I never got a sense while reading the books that his actual writing style was outstanding. I know the feeling you had though. When I finished reading 1984 everything else I read for at least a year seemed dull, and inferior. Orwell's writing style amazed me. There were times when I'd read a paragraph and then think about it for several minutes and go back and read it again, just because I was so impressed with how wonderful Orwell's phrasing was. I don't mean to take anything away from Asimov, as he is obviously in the same league as Orwell. I think it just comes down to personal preference. They're both outstanding writers.
I should also kind of amend my previous negativity towards Apple writers since I was incredibly impressed with Severance. They did an outstanding job with that show. They probably did a great job with Foundation too, it just wasn't for me having read the source material first.
Yeah, this was the exact reason why I was so tentative about Foundation at first. After seeing how Altered Carbon S02 floated like a lead balloon, it became quite apparent that audiences, along with a sense of progression, want a sense of continuity. Audiences don't seem to gel with TV shows that have a different lead every season, so Altered Carbon really struggled as the audience had spent a previous season connecting to an actor who then disappeared at the start of S02. Of course, anyone who'd ever read the books was well prepared for this, but the 'average viewer' was not and sadly it was cancelled.
I assumed the same would be true of Foundation, where in the books you've got a different lead in practically every chapter! So that probably also played a hand in the changes.
And hell fuckin' YEAH Severance was incredible. Super weird. I love TV shows that create an inexplicable universe then go about slowly revealing it. Season 2 is a go, so I can't wait to find out how Mark reacts to the knowledge he gained in the finale.
It has been soooo long! When is season two coming out?!?
I loved Altered Carbon, but it got pretty cheesy after his sister showed up. She was not a well written character for the show. Are the books good? I loved the show, even with his cheesey, smoking hot sister.
Hopefully S02 Severance will be out this year. Obviously there was a big break because of the writers strike, they're currently filming right now and from the sounds of the statement I read, seem really keen to have it out ASAP.
And yes the Altered Carbon books are amazing! I feel like it's almost always best to watch the TV show / film first before the books, it's often a little disappointing the other way around as we've built our own internal universe of how characters look and sound. Plus the books by the nature usually have much more detail.
Awesome. I'll check them out. I need a new book to read right now anyways.
Have you read much by Iain M. Banks? It's classed as 'hard' scifi, but I think that's just because he refers to actual known physics quite a lot. Really really really cool worldbuilding, especially in the Culture series. The Xeelee series is also fantastic and there's a ton of books there!
I haven't, but I'm willing to try. Which book do you recommend?
OK for the Xeelee series (by Stephen Baxter), you're really spoiled for choice... the author designed all the books to be standalone, doesn't really do 'cliffhangers'. But he has a suggested reading order:
Vacuum Diagrams (collection of short stories which will set out the overal story of the universe)
Timelike Infinity / Ring (tells the story of a character integral to the series, Michael Poole)
Raft and Flux (incidents amongst the wider background)
Destiny's Children (three-parter in the same universe, exploring different evolutions of humanity)
Then whatever else you like the sound of.
As an example of the sorts of timescales he writes over, 'Xeelee: Redemption' is set between the years 4060 and 5,000,000,000! Personally I prefer long books over short stories, which to me always feel like they end just as they get going. So while Vacuum Diagrams is excellent, if the same is true for you, maybe jump in with Timelike Infinity. It's a shame all my stuff is in storage atm as I could post you some of these. Hopefully you can find them at your local library.
For Banks, there's an excellent reading order here: https://www.howtoread.me/the-culture-reading-order/
Awesome! I'll check them out. Thanks!