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Putin Orders Russian Tech Companies To Somehow Make Competitive Game Console In 3 Months (www.techdirt.com)

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

At one point in time Russia actually had their own computer system back in the '80s. So I guess just dust that off?

It died because it had non-square pixels, because that's not stupid, and so was a pain to develop any games for.

[-] grayhaze@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

The Atari 2600 and Commodore 64 did okay for themselves with non-square pixels.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Guess what other obscure old system used rectangular pixels? The IBM PC.

CGA and EGA used resolution modes that were multiples of 320x200 (PAR 6:5). VGA's 16-color hi-res mode was the first to support square pixels at 640x480, and it would become a standard for years to come because TempleOS and Windows used it (you can even force Windows 7 to run in this mode!)

The NES and SNES had PAR ~~16:15~~ 8:7 (oops) (which is often ignored in emulation), and so did the most common NTSC DVD-Video mode (none of the commonly used ones had square pixels but you only really notice it with subtitles - you cannot correctly display them at native resolution on an LCD).

And that's just the successful systems I know off the top of my head.

Soviet personal computers failed for other, obvious reasons. They struggled to copy the latest chips, and the economic incentive was minuscule despite the government's investment - very few people could afford a computer in the Eastern Bloc, and they could not be exported due to patent infringement and being years behind. The economy collapsed after USSR broke up and nobody wanted to invest to rebuild the industry.

That being said, people in the Eastern Bloc were very resourceful with what they had (mostly clones of Atari's 8-bit home computers and IBM PCs). A blind person from Czechoslovakia made a speech synthesis sound card for an IBM-compatible PC, which functioned well enough to allow him to be employed as a full-time programmer. At least one of the three exemplars works to this day.

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I love how you threw TempleOS in there. And I get the reference, 640x480 is the resolution God intended or something to that effect.

[-] el_bhm@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

The story is way more interesting. Cannot dig the article, but dropping soviet originated hardware had to do also with programming languages. Western entities started with heavy lobbing, often dressed as grass root movement, for languages that for western based systems. Not sure how well supported this thesis was, but it was interesting that preferences of engineers got used for market absorption.
Not a new thing by today's standards.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 7 months ago

I'm pretty sure there is an English language compiler for it now, but I don't know when that became available.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Didn't the NES produce non-square pixels? Like pure data wise the screen was square but at some point in making it NTSC it gets stretched horizontally to 4:3?

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago

pure data wise

Data-wise, the screen is 32x30 tiles, which is 256x240 pixels, or 280x240 including the border. (The height is set by the modified NTSC standard at 240p60, and the width of 256 was chosen to simplify 8-bit arithmetic, plus 24 pixels for a border.) With square pixels, the aspect ratio would be 16:15, or 7:6 including border. The video timing was chosen so that this fills the entire TV screen, which is 4:3. As a result, the pixels have an aspect ratio of (4:3)/(7:6)=8:7 (varies a little between TVs). However, the NES could only flip sprites and not rotate them 90°, so this could be taken into account when creating the rotated versions.

Another successful system with non-square pixels was the IBM PC, whose CGA and EGA cards had a 320x200 resolution (or multiples thereof in other modes), which resulted in PAR (4:3)/(8:5)=6:5. Square pixels first became available with VGA's hi-res mode (16 colors at 640x480), adopted by systems such as Windows 3.1 and TempleOS.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Russia has own computers on own processors produced on Micron(not to be confused with Micron Technology). But they are expensive as cast iron bridge and hard to get.