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[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 149 points 1 year ago

The actual original stated history near the start of the religion is that Adam and Eve weren't the "first people" to exist, just the first Jewish/Christian people created by God. Since it was common belief and understanding at the time that other gods also existed from the other religions and created their own peoples.

Judaism was monotheistic only in regards to following a single god, but it fully recognized other existences in a much larger pantheon.

It was only later that Jewish and Christian scholars denigrated the existence of other gods to be "demons" worshipped by pagans and thus lower than the "one true god" and all that nonsense.

[-] xeekei@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago

Pantheons have always been cooler. Shame they ruined the lore.

[-] toasteecup@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Jew checking in, can confirm. You can even see evidence of this in the modern translation.

"Thou shalt have no god before me" doesn't say anything about after

[-] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

I swear it seems like 40% of Judaism is finding and exploiting loopholes

[-] Duder167@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Doesn't God mention after eve eats the fruit "they are now like us" also there's evidence God had a consort named Asherah. The wholes a big dumb mess

[-] TehWorld@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The Christian answer here is that 'us' refers to the Father-Son-holy spirit trinity.

[-] steakmeout@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Minorly scholarly Jew checking in. That commandment did not exist when Adam and Eve were brought into Creation so it wouldn't apply. The Ten Commandments, of which the first is, "Thou shalt have no god before me" also does not define belief order. Before is taken as you either follow H-shem or you follow others gods but you cannot follow both. Your confirmation is bunk. Judaism is hereditary, initally patrilineal up until about 10BCE and then it became matrilineal as Jews migrated into other nations and parts of the world.

[-] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 4 points 1 year ago

Ignoring the fact that many of the ten sayings are mistranslated. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" is actually the second saying in Jewdaism.

However, your view is correct. It is a prohibition on Idolatry. Many of the proto-Jews probably still worshipped other, singular gods from other religions and this was a means to get everyone on the same track. It was probably created the same time the idea of the LORD/YHWH was formed around 800BCE

[-] starlinguk@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

That's not what before means here. It means you don't treat other gods as better than me.

[-] TheDom@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 1 year ago

Isn’t that exactly what he said? After in this case just meaning worse (translating it your way).

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Which is a point I never see theist mention. It doesn't say that there are no other gods. It says I am the one you are going to pray to. It doesn't say that because the population didn't believe it. They "knew" that there were other gods.

The Bible first chapters are so much different if you just admit what the text is telling you.

[-] Nioxic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And youre sure its like that in all translations?

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

so... god just doesn't want sloppy seconds...?

[-] SixTrickyBiscuits@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

If I understand it right, the Jewish God came from a pantheon, and didn't just respect other pantheons. Like it was equivalent to a group of people who worshipped the Roman gods and then said "Yeahhh, but we're going to pick Vulcan as our main guy."

[-] Hyperi0n@lemmy.film 10 points 1 year ago

Proto Jewdism was highly influenced by Egyptian religion. Many themes and plots being pulled from there. It wasn't until these proto-Jews spent time around Zoroastrianism that the religion really took its modern form.

There is evidence of proto-Jews worshiping other gods but there is no evidence of worship of more than one God though.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think there's much evidence of proto-Judaism being influenced by Egypt. Now Babylon and Persia, sure.

[-] ventrix@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

That was the comment I was looking for, thank you

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Does it mean that no one other than Adam and Eve are 100% Jew? Isn't Judaism supposed to be hereditary?

[-] steakmeout@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Neither Adam nor Eve were Jewish. Judaism starts with the Covenant of Abraham.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It is from the word Judah.

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