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For Real. J6 built a gallows.
They beat policemen to death and wiped their own feces on the walls of our Nation’s Capital.
(I am amazed how often this gets deleted by moderators on lemmy when I point this out)
Which policemen did they beat to death?
I apologize. Of the officers beaten by rioters only one, Brian Sicknick, died directly from the wounds. Fifteen more were hospitalized.
Umm... And you're 100% sure that the medical examiner is lying despite natural causes also being the accepted finding by Capitol Police?
Why are you splitting hairs to defend insurrectionists?
Is it because they beat capitol police and you hate the police?
If you spread false information, even if it's in the name of a good cause, you will make it harder for people to believe you or people supporting your good cause when you talk about true information. There's enough issues with conservatives that you don't need to invent more like a conspiracy theorist.
No, it is because like I said the Supreme Court did ask some valid questions... there are plenty of laws that the people on Jan. 6 broke, but the one in particular that they are using could equally be applied to protesters that have also disrupted official proceedings. If the police have evidence that all the people that went into the capitol were there with a plan to assassinate and specifically harm members of congress, then yes I think that they should qualify under this law. But, merely going into the capitol building is not sufficient evidence in of itself. I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for and don't be surprised if suddenly climate activists and other Democrat protesters don't get charged with the same thing once you do.
They already get charged. The insurrectionists were treated with kid gloves and are to this day.
Being charged with a crime is not the same as being convicted though, and currently the challenge before the Supreme Court is in regards to what crimes they can be convicted with. It isn't an easy subject and I agree the Supreme Court is biased and corrupt, but I also try my best to evaluate the case law and I still believe that they asked some good questions about when it is okay to charge someone with this particular crime when it appears that it could apply to Democrat protesters in several cases as well that were not charged. Not only that, but you get a few corrupt cops and next thing you know they claim that some peaceful protester outside the capital building assaulted them, then they could claim all peaceful protesters there intended to be violent and charge them all with 20 to 30 years under 18 U.S. Code § 1512. Heck, even impeding traffic under 18 U.S. Code § 1512 could be argued to prevent communication to a judge.
Later in this thread you conflate the insurrectionists with BLM. You've been downplaying the insurrection this entire thread. They beat police officers mercilessly multiple times, on camera. We all saw what happened. The medical examiner said that Sicknick died for reasons unrelated to the injuries he sustained at the hands of your favorite people, but it's not like they weren't fucking trying to beat him to death.
This person or AI is clearly doing that CIA disrupt productivity thing & goading you to respond again & again— don’t fall for it
You really do take everything out of context for your own agenda don't you? I didn't conflate the people on Jan 6 to BLM. My only point was do you want all people in an area or vicinity getting charged with the same thing that a select few of a group may only be guilty of. Do you not agree that for each defendant in a case, that evidence needs to be presented to show specifically what crimes they were trying to commit... or, do you think that if people are in an area where a few protesters throw a molotov cocktail that everyone else even when they were never there with the intention of starting a fire should all be charged with the same crime? You can twist my words all you want, and I'm sure you'd love to have mod or are reporting this to mods cause heck people like you definitely don't like it when people point out their inconsistencies and call them out for actually being the propaganda while making claims about people like me.
You say these people are my "favorite people" but you have no evidence, and I can assure you they aren't, but you really don't care. It is all about the false narrative you wish to push. It sounds to me like you don't care how Sicknick actually died, but that you'll gladly use his death in whatever narrative is most convenient for you.
Medical examiners are one step removed from cops (as in they work with cops a lot and a lot of them are ridiculously unqualified political hires) so yeah, it would be stupid to trust them in any even slightly contentious circumstances.
Did you read what Wikipedia had to say as well?
Not in this case, no. You wanna be more specific?
It says it was determined he died of natural causes and that many media outlets improperly reported that he died from his injuries
Determined by a possibly unqualified examiner who might have political reasons to come to that conclusion rather than medical ones? Has this determination been independently verified?
Medical examiners determined that it wasn't blunt force trauma, so now the only other explanation was pepper spray... so, do you really think pepper spray is what killed him? Or do you think that there were a lot of officers there, and people die daily, and he happened to die after the events but that weren't directly connected or there was no evidence of a connection? Is it possible you want him to have died because of Jan 6 events so that you can point your finger and say look how evil those Jan 6 people were?
Multiple cops were beaten that day. Do you suppose the insurrectionists were holding back? They were obviously trying to kill police, on camera. We all saw what happened. You're making excuses for them. You're whatabouting for them.
No I'm not. I don't disagree some of them were there for that purpose. If they had a gun, plans, texts, etc that shows that was their intention to basically harm those certifying the election then sure charge them with the federal law the article is talking about. But just cause they went into the Capitol building doesn't mean they all had the same intentions.
Normal tourist visit, huh?
That's not how prosecution and evidence works. You can't just say cause they entered the Capitol building that they were all their to hang Pence, or kill Pelosi. You need actual evidence. Otherwise, what will happen is that you'll go to a peaceful protest and some agitator will do some crime and suddenly you'll be getting arrested saying you were there for the same purpose.
Yeah, the way it works is that a bunch of inbred hayseeds try to install Trump as dictator, and because you wish they had succeeded, you downplay what they did and pretend that the Supreme Court still has legitimacy.
The Supreme Court hasn't had much legitimacy for much longer than you realize. They've been taking away consumer and workers rights for decades. You just haven't realized it until recently when it has become a hot topic and now it is easier to blame Republicans, but overlook everything else.
They've been more shameless about it. As in this case, where they're pretending that obstructing a government proceeding applies only to documents, and where you're pretending that anything other than ignoring the statute entirely requires enshrining guilt by association into law.
I'm not sure how or whether you gather that they are pretending that obstructing a government proceeding only applies to documents, but that isn't what I gathered at all. I made two major points...
Because I actually read the article instead of immediately being like "buh whuubut BLM?!??!?!"
So what did it say then cause it doesn't say what you're suggesting
It's in the article that you ignored because you'd rather demonize BLM. Don't bother me again.
Not it isn't but fine by me. Have a good pipedream
From the article you will never read:
The court is sympathetic to this bullshit argument. Since it's not demonizing black people, you ignored it.
Expecting you to quit whatabouting for Trump's inbred violent minions is a bit of an unrealistic expectation, yes.
Where do you gather that the court is sympathetic to the argument? The justices are literally questioning the other components of the same law which clearly involves more than documents. The justices do not indicate that they believe it only pertains to destroying/tampering with documents, and I have no clue how you could gather that from the article.
You've admitted they're illegitimate already. They're sympathetic to any argument as long as its application yields results Republicans want.
Because they want to limit the scope of the law to documents only. Why would they question the part of the law they want to keep?
The part of the law they are questioning has to do with actual actions/violence to prevent official proceedings. They are questioning the scope of the other parts, not saying that they intend to exclude it entirely. They can't make up new laws. They can only interpret them. Yes, they can have poor interpretations, but they'd seriously struggle trying to exclude things entirely without having uproar throughout the federal court system which comprises of several liberal judges as well.
This thread is now 4 days old, and the comment to which you responded is two days old.
You are trying to waste my time, and I'm not going to participate in this discussion any longer.