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What should I do about carnist leftists? (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by VeganicTankie@lemmygrad.ml to c/vegan@hexbear.net
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A lot of leftists are marxist-leninist, anti-sexist, LGBT+ and anti-racist. BUT, they'll tell you the dumbest right-wing arguments to justify eating animals. I get that people aren't ideal, but when you are the urban middle class of the West, there's no excuse to not be vegan. Absolutely, no, excuse, to, murder, animals. Historical materialism lets me ok people from poor/oppressed backgrounds being carnist. I would never denounce a carnist in Gaza, but the Westerners have no any excuses to abuse animals.

I get that some people just have no will, I know people can be addicted. But at least DON'T BE A JERK to vegans. Some "leftists" post propaganda about veganism like YT videos that are literally funded by oil corporations. Some "leftists" are so toxic I'd rather have a conservative as my roommate than them.

The "leftists" lie all the time. Meat, dairy, eggs and honey are luxury products available mosty to those in the imperial core. The poor countries like India, Nigeria, Uganda and North Korea eat diets closest to veganism BECAUSE plant foods are the cheapest foods, not carnist subsidized McFood.

Dealing with leftists, especially online, is draining to me. How can I be productive as a leftist and not go insane? How can I cooperate with carnists to achieve the revolution? I see no easy solution here

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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The poor countries like India, Nigeria, Uganda and North Korea eat diets closest to veganism BECAUSE plant foods are the cheapest foods, not carnist subsidized McFood.

This is nonsense. Yes, global South countries do eat less meat compared to first world but they aren't vegan or vegetarian. Wasn't there some statistic about 75% Indians not being vegetarian.

The reality is people get really defensive when you mention meat consumption. I do not think I can make someone not eat meat by arguing with them. Its too much of a 'treat' for people. To an extent, similar to religion, people get really defensive about that too.

Also its not just online, people irl also just as defensive.

[-] VeganicTankie@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 7 months ago

I didn't say that more Global South people are vegan. I only said that the Global South eats less meat, meaning that meat is less accessible to non-Westerners

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Correct.

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