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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by lurkerlady@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

Intersection of environmentalism and veganism incoming

Someone asked about this in a chat I'm in and it led to a lot of digging with almost no success beyond spending 300 dollars to buy custom clothes all the time. We're looking for stuff that is a) vegan and b) has no plastic byproducts that we can recommend to people of many sizes and c) will not bankrupt you. Like 6ft tall+ women with gigantic feet 12+ womens sized shoes.

Shoes, hats, et al. of feminine styling. Basic shit. Flats. Heels. Thrifting isn't usually an option for people of certain sizing, too.

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Things I've found, again, the point of this is basic essentials shit that is vegan, no plastic, and will fit tall women. Gimmicky things that aren't basic aren't included.

Custom Clothes (expensive):

https://loyalfootwear.com/ - 350 USD for a flat. Ridiculous price, but it is fully custom and has non plastic options. There seems to be no way to ask her simple questions about the products she sells to verify their contents.

https://heartsandfound.com/ - Custom dresses and skirts. Uses various fabrics like linen or cotton of your choosing, unclear if shipping doesn't use plastic. Seems most dresses are in the 120-140 dollar range, which is reasonable for a fancier dress. Has a lot of older 50s styles for dresses. Storefront sells from Vietnam, fabric quality seems very very good, seems to source materials from a cooperative and shuts down during Vietnamese holidays, has a guide for dodging US import fees? Nice.

https://www.eshakti.com/ - Lots of options for clothes, uses various fabrics, can shop by fabric type and luckily does show in detail fabric info, has custom sizing and is not much more expensive than a normal shop. Some of the clothing does look cheap and may use low quality plastic fibers in conjunction with the cotton. Ships from India.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/LeoLines - Transgender gaffs, can be made cotton but doesn't appear to be fully cotton, but seems to be the best option for non plastic fabrics.

Not custom clothes:

americantall.com - Cheap, but many of the materials contain plastics, look shit, and aren't vegan. Some options are low in plastics or are fully cotton, but there aren't many. Has male options too. The cotton leggings seem to be the lowest plastic content leggings that I can find. Most products that are low in plastics are about 5% elastic and the rest cotton.

longtallsally.com - Lots of cheap garbage but there are some things that aren't plastic. Ships from UK, Turkey, India, Sri Lanka, Romania, Macedonia Bulgaria, China and Vietnam.

Not explicitly tall options:

https://rawganique.com/ - Lots of 100% cotton products, however womens clothing does not seem to be appropriately sized for tall people. Good for things like 100% cotton socks which are hard to find. Has some zero plastic shoes but mostly for smaller feet.


Shoes are currently a gigantic sore spot, need to find a place that has vegan shoes for many BASIC styles of US size 13+ that dont cost a billion dollars.

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REALLY Awful Design (hexbear.net)
submitted 5 hours ago by Angel@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

What were they thinking? avgn-horror

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submitted 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) by mathemachristian@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

So next week my 2 yo's sons kindergarten are planning a zoo trip. Apparently they will be talking about it before and after. It costs the kids nothing and the teachers tickets are coming out of a collective fund we already paid money into. My wife really wants him to go, she grew up not being able to go to a lot of school trips due to growing up in foster care/neglect and really fears him getting ostracized. She says she knows what it was like to not go and it really comes close to her trauma so its not really a subject I can argue against. The teachers obviously recommend going, so I'm all alone in saying no. I would stay home, perhaps prepare our own outing and look into talking about animal liberation but I feel so alone in it. My wife gave me the option to veto the trip even though she really wants him to go.

There really is not much more to argue between us too, my focus is animal liberation, hers is how not partaking in some activities alienates one from society. And in a society based on animal oppression a lot of activities require some form of animal oppression. I don't know how this contradiction is going to resolve and it's making me very anxious.

How do you cope with the feeling of loneliness? Do you have good kid friendly material relating to animal liberation? What could be a good alternative for us that day? What if I just gave in? I can't do this for every zoo/farm outing anyway.

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by BeamBrain@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

White Western culture: Cattle ranching, factory farms, meat 3 meals a day, sport hunting, horse racing, purebred dogs, animal testing, captive cetaceans, ocean overfishing, capitalism

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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by ButtBidet@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

@jet@hackertalks.com This person isn't a doctor

Autumn Fladmo Smith is the co-founder of Paleovalley and Wild Pastures, holds a Masters in Holistic Nutrition, a Certified Eating Psychology Coach, and a Certified FDN Practitioner

She doesn't list where her Master's is from, so it's gotta be somewhere shady as well.

I'm sorry I said I hope you get bowel cancer, but it would be really funny if you were reincarnated as a cow or pig though.

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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by carpoftruth@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

A month or so ago someone on the comm here posted about keshek el fouqara, a fermented bulgur wheat cheese. That post inspired me to make some and I just balled it up and put it in jars. I tried some after it had fermented and pressed the water out and it was good. Nice a sour in a good way. I think it would combine well with other stuff like nuts, sundried tomatoes, maybe dates, balsamic reduction.

I feel like I probably could have left it in water to ferment for longer but I was excited so only left it a month. I did two flavours, one zatar and one berbere spice mix.

I did 2 lbs of bulgur wheat and got a shit load of product. The bag of wheat was about $4 so this is dirt cheap compared to cashew or nut based vegan cheese. Olive oil to pour over it is more expensive, but I'm expecting to be able to use the olive oil afterwards anyway.

My partner was a bit wary about the oil soaked balls in jars being shelf stable so its in the fridge for now. I'll update the comm in another month or so when I go to town on those. I expect the flavour to get more complex over time - fermented stuff usually does.

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I would like to transition to eating vegan and have tried to find substitutes for some of the things I'd miss the most. (Mostly cheese and maybe honey) But both buying and making these substitutes appears to be rather pricey. I figure there must be a way to go vegan without spending everything I have, so does that mean I just have to forgo the substitutes and completely change my diet? That'll be tough, but I want to try. Any advice for getting away from animal products?

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cross-posted from: https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/1244702

WB Hexbear

Horizontal market segmentation is a strategy that allows a company to create and market products tailored to different consumer segments without necessarily changing its core business practices or cannibalizing their own sales. In the context of a large meat producer such as Tyson Foods, this means offering plant-based (or otherwise animal-free) product lines alongside its traditional meat products. By adding a vegan-friendly offering to their portfolio, the company can appeal to conscious consumers seeking plant-based alternatives, all while continuing to invest heavily in, and profit from, the more lucrative animal-exploitation side of their operations.

https://www.crmbuyer.com/story/howard-moskowitzs-horizontal-segmentation-secret-sauce-70817.html

https://stevebizblog.com/how-to-crush-the-competition-with-horizontal-segmentation/

At the heart of this approach is the desire to capture as large a share of the overall market as possible. Rather than risk losing vegan or flexitarian consumers, meat producers roll out vegan product lines. To the average shopper, this might suggest that the company is evolving toward a more sustainable or ethical model. In reality, however, these new "vegan" brands function primarily as a safeguard: they protect the company’s bottom line against a growing demographic that avoids or reduces meat consumption.

Crucially, companies deploying this tactic rarely allow plant-based offerings to substantially affect, let alone undermine, the primary business model—raising and killing animals for food. Instead, they leverage profits from both segments, using revenue from their new vegan products to offset any dips in meat sales, while still expanding their existing meat-focused infrastructure. As a result, these companies maintain (and often grow) their overall market share and keep the broader system of animal exploitation firmly in place.

For vegans, this underscores a fundamental challenge: relying on non-vegan brands to “fix” the problems inherent in animal agriculture often falls short. While a new vegan product range launched by a big meat company may be convenient or widely accessible, it usually does not represent a philosophical or operational shift away from exploiting animals. Instead, it reinforces the company’s goal of capturing every possible consumer segment to bolster its profits. Those funds can then be reinvested in the company’s meat operations as well as its plant-based lines. The net effect is that rather than truly diminishing the market for animal-based foods, this horizontal expansion effectively allows the firm to profit from both sectors simultaneously—maintaining and growing the status quo in the process.

Consequently, the rise of “vegan lines” from traditional animal-based companies can be a double-edged sword. On the one hand, more plant-based products reach more people—especially in mainstream venues—potentially normalizing a vegan diet for a wider audience. On the other hand, because the underlying corporate structure remains unchanged, the profits generally feed back into large-scale animal exploitation. In light of this, vegans should argue that genuine progress requires direct action and rebuilding supply chains dedicated to dismantling the animal agriculture system at its roots—rather than expecting established meat corporations, venture capital and start ups with the intent to sell out to transform entrenched businesses simply by adding a vegan label.

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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Angel@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

I’ve heard many Jewish anti-Zionists express discomfort with the idea that opposing Zionism is inherently antisemitic because it implies that being Jewish requires supporting genocide. To them, that’s the truly antisemitic notion.

As a Black vegan, I feel the same discomfort when people claim that respecting animals is a "white" thing. That framing indirectly suggests that POC are more supportive of animal oppression than white people, which is, frankly, racist.

The truth is, every culture, white or otherwise, has been shaped by human supremacy. But if we're talking more specifically about plant-based dieting, the cultures that have adhered to it as tradition the most are not white, e.g., religious tendencies like Jainism and Rastafarianism.

And let’s not forget who industrialized and globalized animal agriculture for maximum profit: colonizers. If anything, Western imperialism is what has exacerbated animal exploitation.

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submitted 1 month ago by Alisu@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

I'm worrying a bit about b12 levels, so I thought I'd ask here. From what I gathered searching the internet some morning cereals and some things that have added b12, there was a site talking about soy milk, but idk about that. I'm looking for more options so i could maybe find them more easily

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submitted 1 month ago by Angel@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

Vegans: holds every race and ethnic group to the same ethical standard when it comes to rejecting animal exploitation

Non-vegans: literally throws out Sinophobic insults, slurs, and calls Chinese people a "barbaric other species" for engaging in the Yulin Dog Meat Festival

But guess which group is more often considered racist and disrespectful when it comes to other cultural practices that involve exploiting animals?

Yeah.

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I picked up a box of "shicken" tikka kebab at the Costco. Fully vegan and ready for the grill straight out of the box. They were delicious. A huge hit and a group of 6 ate the whole box. I've tried a lot of fake meats and do/don't like many for all sorts of reasons, but these were good overall, no complaints at all. Highly recommended if you come across them and think they're up your alley. This is not product placement I just wanted to share a positive experience and give an endorsement so someone else can enjoy them

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submitted 2 months ago by Angel@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

"There are environmentally sustainable ways of farming animals so why do vegans oppose those?"

Like... veganism is an ethical stance, not necessarily an environmentalist one (although environmentalism is based obviously.)

I also hate the false dichotomy of "leather vs. pleather" that often invites these kinds of takes.

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submitted 2 months ago by Angel@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

This is something that I've been wondering about.

To me, a vegan Zionist is something I'd expect to hear of as an anomaly in the vegan community, something as rare as a Palestinian Zionist, a Jewish Neo-Nazi, a Marxist Zionist, or something like that, as these kinds of people do exist (somehow), but they're very obscure.

However, to see so many vegans not only validate the existence of Isn'trael but actually be full on Zios who show not the slightest bit of empathy or consideration for Palestinians is a headscratcher for me.

I have a gut feeling that Israel's veganwashing plays a big part in this, but vegans, of all people, are those who I would expect to look past such obvious, glaring bullshit, like they do with animal products that claim to be "humanely sourced."

Also, Gary Yourofsky formerly being a very strong voice in the movement likely plays a part in that as well... the man certainly has some takes.

[CW: Extreme Anti-Palestinian Sentiment] (This was in 2015, by the way.)

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Thanks, Vegan Peter (streamable.com)
submitted 3 months ago by Angel@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net
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submitted 3 months ago by PurrLure@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

I see a lot of people at least joking about going vegan lately. I've been vegan for roughly.... ah, I want to say 4 years now? I lost track awhile ago. It was around the time the wreckers came to Hexbear and convinced a bunch of us to watch Dominion (highly recommend doing so btw, it's free online).

ANYWAYS, if you're interested in more than just shitposts and are seriously interested in veganism I was thinking I could help answer any questions you have. Comment here or send me a DM if you're blush shy. shy This comm has limits on what we can talk about btw, such as diet. And I think the whole website has restrictions on recommending specific brands of food? So DM for questions like that, thanks.

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submitted 3 months ago by Zuzak@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

I've never actually made tofu because I don't cook often, but today it was on sale for $0.88/lb (limit 4) so now I have 4 pounds (1.8 kg) of tofu (3 firm, 1 extra firm) that I have no idea what to do with. The oven/stove at my place is broken, so I just have a microwave, but fwiw it has a convection option.

I know there's something about cutting it into cubes and pressing out the moisture, and I know it's really good at absorbing flavor but doesn't have much on its own, but that's about all I know. I guess I can look up recipes, but idk how to adapt them to a microwave and also online recipes are a pain because of SEO.

Thanks.

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submitted 3 months ago by REgon@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

Please don't give me any recommendations for bad vegan toppings, nor any recommendations for good vegans topping me to be bred.

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submitted 3 months ago by Angel@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

How have I not seen this cringe yet?

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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by BeamBrain@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

Oh wait this is Literally Karl Marx

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This is a shortened version of the original made to enthuse you into reading. It shouldn't replace reading the real thing. Here, I just pasted parts I liked

II. Most animal rights philosophy today is metaphysical.

III. The merit of bourgeois anti-speciesist moral philosophy is that attacks the way speciesists legitimize animal exploitation. Yet it cannot contribute anything of substance on the origin and function of animal exploitation. Instead, it reduces all these questions to abstract, individual acts, views and practices that are treated in complete isolation from the functioning of capitalist society. Such moral philosophy is ahistorical. It is interested in the history of human-animal relations only in terms of the history of ideology, if at all; it can tell us nothing about the social origin and the genesis of speciesist ideology.

IV. In the course of class struggle, the ruling class has degraded nature in general and animals in particular to a means of production at their disposal, secured such hierarchy juristically and stipulated it as universally applicable. For that reason, it is lawful today for man to treat the animal as their property. Legal norms allow the exploitation of animals because they are bourgeois, not just because they are speciesist.

V. Humans are constructed as reasonable, rational and analysing subjects, which are raised above animals who are constructed as unreasonable creatures of nature controlled by their drives and affects. Arguing by means of this dualism is the foundation of the post-structuralist-anti-speciesist critique of power to explain the political dominance of humans over animals, the control of the former over the latter as well as the latter’s exclusion from democracy. It offers no explanation for what exactly created the ideological dualism of the human and the animal and what mediates it. Whenever anti-authoritarian anti-speciesists allude to this point, their analysis becomes woolly. For this reason, it remains phenomenological, in the end purely formal and, above all, idealist, as it considers mere (wrong) thinking to be the engine of history.

VI. The circle of friends, the butcher, the producer of meat, the animal testing laboratory and its lobbyists – according to those schools, they all must cast off their speciesist thinking for animals to be freed. Social praxis is here above all a question of social consciousness, which is the sum of the consciousnesses of all its separate individuals. Animal exploitation and animal liberation are reduced to a philosophical, epistemological, at best theoretical judicial problem.

VII. Within the capitalist process of production, animals and nature quite literally become a mere resource to exploit.

VIII. Humans, creatures of nature, who have to satisfy natural needs such as food, drink and so forth, hence do not differ categorically but gradually from animals, and this gradual difference is the result of their own politic-economic social praxis.

IX. Speciesist thinking about animals hence is not the basis of animal exploitation, but rather the latter’s ideological reflex. Marco Maurizi got to the heart of this: “We do not exploit animals because we deem them to be inferior, rather, we deem animals to be inferior because we exploit them.”

X. The product re-assumes the form of commodity, which is sold for profit. However, this profit, the accumulation of which is the reason and purpose of capitalist production, does not just fall from the sky. It can be obtained only by exploiting the workers: they work beyond the point at which they have produced a value equivalent to their wage; they thereby produce a surplus that is not at their own but at the capitalists’ disposal. Therefore, given that there are both exploiters and exploited in capitalist society, it is not the whole human species who exploits animals. Instead, the exploitation of animals and wage labourers first and foremost takes place following the interests and under the direction of the ruling class. Of course, the exploitation of animals and the exploitation of wage labourers differ qualitatively, and the latter do not necessarily act in solidarity with animals just because they are also being oppressed and exploited. Workers in abattoirs even kill animals. But capitalist relations of production do not only rest upon an antagonism between capitalists and the working class, but also between the ruling class and nature as well as animals. The former conducts the industrially organised exploitation of animals and profits substantially from it. Accordingly, as Marx writes, “The view of nature attained under the domination of private property and money is a real contempt for and practical debasement of, nature.” This of course includes animals. To answer the question why not only workers are exploited under capitalism but also animals – if in a particular qualitatively different way – one must examine the position and function that animals inherit in this form of organizing social labour, and hence the specific capitalist form of animal exploitation.

XI. Animals do not immediately take part in the social relations that are characteristic for capitalism as active individuals – they do not purchase or sell anything on the market, not even their labour: when they expend labour in the process of production they do not receive wages in return. Accordingly, animals do not produce surplus value and are not part of the working class. Their exploitation corresponds to what Marx describes as exploitation of nature: by virtue of bourgeois property rights and the economic power at their disposal, the capitalists make a profit from the ruinous dealing with animals and nature. This is not exploitation in the sense of the labour theory of value. Yet Marx also does not limit the notion of exploitation to the production of surplus value. And he certainly does not conclude from the observation that slaves also do not produce surplus value that they are not exploited.

Since they cannot resist in an organized manner, animals are appropriated just like other natural materials as freely available means of production, that is, as instruments of labour (as though they were machines for the production of eggs, milk, meat and so forth) and subjects of labour (leather, meat for further processing and so on). Wage labourers perform the oftentimes violent appropriation in practice. They execute, under capital’s command, the production of surplus value, which in the animal industry encompasses killing and milking as well as performing vivisections and suchlike more. The products that are produced by animals or which they themselves are, are processed further by wage labourers and are finally sold as commodities. The production of profits hence rests not only upon the exploitation of wage labourers, but also on that of animals in particular and of nature in general. For the purpose of maximizing the profits that are realized through the exploitation of animals, capitalists are striving to integrate animals into the process of production as efficiently as possible. Efficiently also means: by abstracting from their qualities, among which is their ability to suffer.

XII. Indeed, one cannot conclude from the critique of political economy that animals would automatically be liberated within a socialist or communist society. Yet, the struggle against the rule of capital and its expropriation are necessary preconditions in order to enable people to collectively cast the decision: we will liberate the animals!

XIII. Above all, the oppressed, exploited classes and animals have the same enemy, who profits from and is responsible for their exploitation while also organizing – in different ways – their oppression: the ruling class. In addition, Marxists need to recognize that due to its damaging social and ecological effects the current extent of animal production is objectively irrational and obstructs social progress.

XIV. This part basically says animal ag is counter-progressive because environment.

XVI. This is the difference between morality and moralism: revolutionary morals understand that a “really human morality which stands above class antagonisms and above any recollection of them becomes possible only at a stage of society which has not only overcome class antagonisms but has even forgotten them in practical life” (Engels).

XVIII. When taking all of this into account, then we also have to conclude: the very indignation we experience in the face of capitalism’s brutality that drives us to a Marxist analysis of society and to resistance is the same one that animal liberationists experience in the face of the suffering of animals. The enemy of animals – capital – is also the enemy of humans. As a Marxist, as an anti-capitalist, one must turn this impulse of solidarity into fuel for one’s life, and understand and acknowledge the objective position of animals within the capitalist process of production, that is, that they belong to those oppressed creatures at whose expense the ruling class accumulates its wealth. The class struggle for the liberation of animals is the struggle for the liberation of the proletariat.

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submitted 4 months ago by LaGG_3@hexbear.net to c/vegan@hexbear.net

Picture is of my daughter's portion, since she has the cutest bowl lol. I had to use mild gochujang since she can't quite handle the spicy kind yet

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No one:

Non indigenous non-vegans: I can't stand it when vegans attack indigenous peoples.

OK, I get it. Vegans that pick on indigenous suck and should be called out. I've seen randos post on social media some bad takes. I'm not denying that it exists. If a vegan makes a bad point on indigenous topics and a carnist wants to jump in, I personally am not going to complain.

But the sheer number of times that I've seen a carnist derail a discussion on slaughterhouses. Like if no one is here mentioning indigenous people, it's pretty fucking sad and gross for you to do it. Is there nothing more creepy than using indigenous people to defend your treat privileges?

I just wish there was some real pushback for people doing this, because it's some real reactionary bullshit.

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