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I wish people would realize that humans only got to where we are because we are a COMMUNAL species. We developed complex language and tool usage BECAUSE we work together. Being "off the grid" is usually isolationist and therefore extremely dangerous. We need community in order to develop and manage the resources we need to survive.
Well no, there's a difference between offgrid and alone and an offgrid commune.
The secret ingredient is commun~~al~~ism.
Agreed, I'm a fan of village-regional center structure myself.
Oh, to be a seamstress, stitching clothes for the farmer's infant son in exchange for a sack of wheat and 6 ounces of butter
Hate to ask what you'd need to do for a steak.. 🤐
The current infant-clothes to steak exchange rate is unfavorable. It would be wiser to hold off till the late autumn, when steak futures usually fall and clothing values skyrocket.
Reasonable. See you in the back-40.
Yeah let's all go back to subsistence agriculture! Every time my mind wanders and I find myself romanticizing an age of simpler times and communal living I remind myself of the realities of that sort of lifestyle.
Well, why aren't we practicing that communal specialty into you know, bettering society from it's current dumpster fire state? Or is that just too tall of a task?
Humans usually live in peace in groups smaller than 18. Above that, troubles hints. @nieceandtows said 40 &up here ... i like (her//his) comment.
There's also Dunbar's number to consider for groups larger than that.
Thanks 😀 I found it here :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
Also, we're living in kind of an unprecedented part of history that enables is to be independent of other people in ways never before possible. So that gives people a very distorted sense of that, a lack of any notion of the importance of community. And of course this "independence" is achieved by a complete dependence on this huge ubiquitous economic machine.
I think sometimes it's the extreme dependence that makes the attempt at off the grid freedom seem more attractive; it's weird how the technology seems to both take away so much freedom and yet make people feel independent at the same time
theres a reason why banishment was historically a death sentence. It took communities to prosper!
It's dangerous to go full off the grid, but in reality it's never complete isolation. In Leave No Trace/My Abandonment (based on a true story) the father relied on disability checks to buy goods and educated his daughter using encyclopedias.. In Walden Thorough is living alone in a remote area, but it's not like he's completely cut off from the benefits of society and has visitors somewhat regularly. I think there's a difference between trying to minimize the brunt of society 24/7 vs going full isolation.
I'm a world of growing instability where the inputs for modern lifehave their supply consistency threatened, learning some basic survival skills is not a bad thing. Many countries will likely have huge energy, food, and water shortfalls in the coming years. Germany is burning what amounts to wet coal to make up for losing Russian oil. Ukraine was one of the world's biggest wheat producers. Russia produced a lot of the world's fertilizer. There are reasons to learn how to live without the entire support network most of us take for granted.
Though you should be pretty decent at living off grid before commiting to it.
Don't assume that you're cougar-proof or that 40°F and below weather with no real insulation is something you can save yourself from with enough bootstraps.