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[-] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 36 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I am so relieved to hear those bans aren’t uncommon.

I’m new from Reddit (where I was similarly banned for questioning questionable news sources in relatively niche subs), and I was so sure this was a set up that fostered a bit more conversation and etiquette, like waayyy forever ago. So I was pretty upset when I got eviscerated for trying to argue a coherent point there in favor of using media literacy tools in order to help evaluating sources for bias and funding.

I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago

Tankies, like other fash, tend to push others out of spaces due to their vileness. I think it's just a self-reinforcing cycle rather than coordination.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

When I understood they're descendents of ChapoTraphouse it all made sense. Half are righty astroturfers posing; some other sizable chunk are assuredly edgy teenagers. Some are foreign operatives. The rest are, frankly, the duped.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

I would actually pay to see the look on Dessalines face when he realizes that he's the nerd God to a bunch of teenagers.

[-] UsernameHere@lemmings.world 8 points 6 months ago

I think they do it intentionally to maintain their echo chamber of propaganda.

[-] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

Is a real bummer because I am quite a lefty in my own group and general society, and I was hoping for some challenges from further left. But I guess if it’s not straight up revolutionary blood lust it’s just authoritarianism apologists.

Again, it’s one of the reasons I was stoked to join the lemmy/fediverse in the first place.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

Yeah. They are not further left, they're just the slightly left wing inside the rest of right wing fascism

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago

Yeah, they pretty much just simp for any authoritarian that calls themselves communist.

You know, typical leftist things... /s

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

I shall balance them out with something utterly deranged. Wait nope cant think of something that is stupid or crazy enough to balance things out. Fuck it we should create a Trans cat girl joint special forces of NATO and have them assassinate Putin.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago
[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Oh man could they assassinate my asshole first?

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

Thats standard training for them, sadly it has a 105% fatality rate for the volunteers. That 5% was one poor bastard who died revived and thwn died again.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Same. This is my exact experience as well. They absolutely refuse to engage with broader leftist ideas on any academic level. They legitimately think the philosophy ended with Lenin and Mao. Even fucking Jacobin doesn't have enough revolution fan service for them.

I do kind of get a kick out of them quoting Chomsky though, who is absolutely no friend to Marxist-Leninist brain rot.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

It's interesting, my instance doesn't block them, so we end up often getting pulled into threads if we don't check the details.

They definitely don't like us when we show up, lol. You can tell they aren't used to it, and they get legitimately angry when someone points out that American citizens aren't evil, or that the world is more complex than their black and white views allow.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If you're new from Reddit, welcome!

I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.

Yes, and yes.

I just blocked both of the .ml instances and a few others that tended to ideologically brigade every sub. Has dramatically improved my experience here. Before that, trying to block individual users was like swatting flies near a manure pile: a never-ending battle. Eventually you realize you simply need to move away from the manure pile.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago

Similar story here. Got banned from world news.ml on my first or second day for calling out russian/chinese govt talking points. Their go to is, "all western media is a lie, heres what glorious china has to say. At worst, the truth 'Lies in the Middle' TM."

On reddit id say its worse. Post api changes, all the left leaning communities got absolutely hijacked. Places that prided themselves on no bans were banning anyone not regurgitating russian propaganda or "noo vooting" rubbish.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

It's definitely worse here in the sense that there's more blatant repression. But I prefer that to the insidious ways they do it on reddit.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

Hard disagree. I started picking up bans in formerly mildly left subs like therightcantmeme, more left leaning subs like completeanarchy, and the place was suddenly full of insidious left-passing communities like ultraleft over night. What were once spaces that banned no one, embraced many different leftist schools, and prided themselves on thinking for themselves now banned leftists who broke rank and file and instead offered the correct opinions on any host of issues the second one asked. To put another way, there was an influx of posts like, "im new, whats the [insert leftist branch here] thought on [insert modern political issue here]?" There was a time when these posts were not only hardly existent, but such asks would be met with, "go and read up on theory and see what u like, dont ask for ur thoughts to be spoon fed to u."

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I guess I was just referring to the larger subs on reddit like politics, news, and worldnews. I'm not part of any smaller political subs.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago

Ahh understood. I remember worldnews turning into, "and heres why the IDF is holy and Gaza should be leveled," which, while batshit as well, is the opposite of what the tankies are saying.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

The big subs really ramped it up when it came to Israel. Worldnews would have whole threads with 600 comments all saying [removed]. Prior to that it was much more subtle.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 5 points 6 months ago

Lol i remember all that in worldnews, but the other big subs i remember being much more sane in that regard. Politics and news i remember acknowledging that its a fucking genocide

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

FYI lemmy was founded by a tankie, you shouldn’t be that surprised.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

I think I've seen them mention that their personal views shouldn't affect Lemmy's moderation and administration in practice and the code of conduct reflects that. However there're communities where they're the only mod and the worldnews style random reason modding is apparent there as well

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

They 100% intend to keep their thumb on the scale as much as possible. I think their behavior has shown pretty conclusively that they cannot be trusted and will abuse any tiny bit of power they can.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

I look forward to helping make them hate their own creation.

[-] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

the free software “movement” as it were attracts everyone from tankies to ancaps, and personally I think that’s great. At least (almost) everyone can agree on something

[-] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

I assumed and gathered the gist of the general ideology here, even if I don’t know the story at all.

I was attracted to the decentralized aspect of it all, and was hoping for challenging views and conversations. I ended up having what I found to be a frustrating but productive one, that then ended up gradually deleted by mods and then I was banned.

I wanna get out of the echo chambers it’s so easy to create.

It really sucked!

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I wanna get out of the echo chambers it’s so easy to create.

I think you'd probably have to log off to escape that, but then you'd just be confined to a different kind of inescapable echo chamber

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago

Consider blocking hexbear if their antics get annoying. They aren't as bad as the .ml instances but they can be super annoying

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

I 100% believe at least a few of them are either state sponsored, or political extremists (drank waaay too much kool-aid.)

It's hard to say emphatically which it is. Their responses are just so incredibly far beyond reasonable.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

Most of them are literally just children going through their edgy "I have no stake in society so burning it all down makes sense to me" phase.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I've literally described ml as "I'm 14 and very edgy".

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

I've never seen a singular group online that felt more like talking to NPCs then the Hexbear/Lemmygrad folks.

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