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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 95 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Guess I'm another proud ban of the world news .ml instance. Honestly, the pettiness of the mods over there is insane. They're a cult. I can't help but think they're at least partly hijacked by some state sponsored astroturfing campaign.

[-] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 36 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I am so relieved to hear those bans aren’t uncommon.

I’m new from Reddit (where I was similarly banned for questioning questionable news sources in relatively niche subs), and I was so sure this was a set up that fostered a bit more conversation and etiquette, like waayyy forever ago. So I was pretty upset when I got eviscerated for trying to argue a coherent point there in favor of using media literacy tools in order to help evaluating sources for bias and funding.

I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago

Tankies, like other fash, tend to push others out of spaces due to their vileness. I think it's just a self-reinforcing cycle rather than coordination.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

When I understood they're descendents of ChapoTraphouse it all made sense. Half are righty astroturfers posing; some other sizable chunk are assuredly edgy teenagers. Some are foreign operatives. The rest are, frankly, the duped.

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[-] UsernameHere@lemmings.world 8 points 6 months ago

I think they do it intentionally to maintain their echo chamber of propaganda.

[-] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

Is a real bummer because I am quite a lefty in my own group and general society, and I was hoping for some challenges from further left. But I guess if it’s not straight up revolutionary blood lust it’s just authoritarianism apologists.

Again, it’s one of the reasons I was stoked to join the lemmy/fediverse in the first place.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

Yeah. They are not further left, they're just the slightly left wing inside the rest of right wing fascism

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago

Yeah, they pretty much just simp for any authoritarian that calls themselves communist.

You know, typical leftist things... /s

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

I shall balance them out with something utterly deranged. Wait nope cant think of something that is stupid or crazy enough to balance things out. Fuck it we should create a Trans cat girl joint special forces of NATO and have them assassinate Putin.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If you're new from Reddit, welcome!

I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.

Yes, and yes.

I just blocked both of the .ml instances and a few others that tended to ideologically brigade every sub. Has dramatically improved my experience here. Before that, trying to block individual users was like swatting flies near a manure pile: a never-ending battle. Eventually you realize you simply need to move away from the manure pile.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago

Similar story here. Got banned from world news.ml on my first or second day for calling out russian/chinese govt talking points. Their go to is, "all western media is a lie, heres what glorious china has to say. At worst, the truth 'Lies in the Middle' TM."

On reddit id say its worse. Post api changes, all the left leaning communities got absolutely hijacked. Places that prided themselves on no bans were banning anyone not regurgitating russian propaganda or "noo vooting" rubbish.

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[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

FYI lemmy was founded by a tankie, you shouldn’t be that surprised.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

I look forward to helping make them hate their own creation.

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

I think I've seen them mention that their personal views shouldn't affect Lemmy's moderation and administration in practice and the code of conduct reflects that. However there're communities where they're the only mod and the worldnews style random reason modding is apparent there as well

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[-] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

I assumed and gathered the gist of the general ideology here, even if I don’t know the story at all.

I was attracted to the decentralized aspect of it all, and was hoping for challenging views and conversations. I ended up having what I found to be a frustrating but productive one, that then ended up gradually deleted by mods and then I was banned.

I wanna get out of the echo chambers it’s so easy to create.

It really sucked!

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[-] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

the free software “movement” as it were attracts everyone from tankies to ancaps, and personally I think that’s great. At least (almost) everyone can agree on something

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago

Consider blocking hexbear if their antics get annoying. They aren't as bad as the .ml instances but they can be super annoying

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

I 100% believe at least a few of them are either state sponsored, or political extremists (drank waaay too much kool-aid.)

It's hard to say emphatically which it is. Their responses are just so incredibly far beyond reasonable.

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[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Couple weeks back I got a 30 day. Made no comment in their instance. Was a random preemptive ban. The mod account listed the reason as a rule 4 violation. That's their rule for spam and ads.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago

Yup it has been fairly recent that they've just started handing out bans for activity on other instances. You can tell they are very upset that they aren't the biggest instance anymore and hate that they can't control the whole fediverse as such.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

Yep and for commenting here I picked up a few more preemptive bans in other sections of ml.

It's pitiful behavior really. If their ideology was so solid they shouldn't need to stop someone like me also on the left disagreeing with their authoritarian solutions. Everyone should be against authoritarianism period.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Ooo so we can make jokes about "you have been banned from ml".

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago

The modlog there is wonderful. Bans all over the place without context to the reasons, what the banned might have done, or who was the mod

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's because if you get into it with a tankies on another instance, or talk shit about them (like in this thread) they will get butthurt and go find anything you've posted on .ml recent and ban you for it.

People need to realize that .ml isn't some innocent actor just trying to keep themselves free of trolls. They 100% intend to leverage their status within the fediverse to keep their thumb on the scale.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 6 months ago

Anything against groupthink is removed. Downvotes are not enough. It straight to the gulag.

well, that's at least in line with how things are run by the CCP

[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 19 points 6 months ago

They banned me from memes because I won an argument with the mod about how Credit Scores work in the USA.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 8 points 6 months ago

How dare you, you monster!

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

How dare you suggest Xi Xinping isn't the greatest benefactor of humanity of all times, you filthy capitalist pig? And I'm only slightly exaggerating here.

[-] 5in1k@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

They don’t like it when I drag my balls across Xi Jinping’s face and he starts motorboating for sure.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ml is very anti-West in my experience. I heard about that kind of thing existing but wow. I think they conglomerated on Lemmy long before Lemmy was popular.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

Lemmy was made by and is developed by Marxist-Leninists as a response to Reddit. You aren't going to find any pro-west Marxist-Leninists. The admins of Lemmy.ml are also Marxist-Leninists, so in general Lemmy.ml is going to be far less pro-west than Lemmy.World, which is a Liberal Instance.

Lemmy.ml has fantastic FOSS and Privacy communities, so not all members are Marxists, but generally liberals coming from Reddit go to Lemmy.world, while Marxists go to other communities, in my experience.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago

Is it ml or grad that hosts a Mao reading group on their discord?

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 22 points 6 months ago

Not sure, but .ml makes you quote from an approved list of communist dogma as part of the application process 😆

I am not making that up: https://lemmy.ml/signup

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 14 points 6 months ago

That's something relatively new. And funny.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

That's actually hilarious though

[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 months ago

Patrick, that work is from Engels and marxists.org is a Trotskyist site. Hardly tankie shit

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[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Engels is actually quite good, but their dogma seems to fan more about the later anti-communist reactionary vanguard and bourgeois dictatorship bullshit

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[-] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

I don’t even mind that, and regularly attend those kinds of events at local campuses or book stores.

But why have those discussions if you’re just going to ban people who question theory from literally 70 years ago? Times change, and so frank discussions about what to bring into this he future to help with global emancipation isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

But don’t try to tell me that none of these dictators did anything wrong, or that they should be forgiven because other people do bad shit, too.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

I got banned from one of the .ml communities in my first week here for simply saying I didn't believe in any particular form of government.

Like, that's all I said. I told them socialism, capitalism, communism - I think we need a mix, not a selection. And they were like BANNED. I didn't swear, nor was a disrespectful - I simply dissented, and their CCP brains exploded from my audacity.

This was way back when most of us came over on the FuckSpezflower.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

I blocked them because their users, thinking I was Jewish, were constantly harassing me.

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