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[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

you knoe there isn't only 2 choices right? Thay can both have good and bad sides. Maybe try some mix of it fisrt

[-] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago

Dialectical Materialism. Right now, they are. You either work towards communism or capitalism moves towards consolidation of capital. Those are your choices.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

also there are more than 1 proposed way to achieve communism, even though i tend to favor socialism.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

Imma be real, chief, I don't think DiaMat is going to work on Non-marxists, even if I agree.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

there's capitalism and its variants (the current system), and there is anti-capitalism in various flavours. (socdem, ML, anarchism)

you can choose your favorite flavour, but its either moving towards capitalism, or moving away from it.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago
[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago
[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Traditionally the "Third Way/Position" is fascism. So, ultimately, kinda, but with race science.

[-] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

fascism isn't a third way. It's liberalism in crisis

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 6 months ago

I mean, it's just literally what they call themselves. Sure, they lie or don't know what the fuck they're talking about, but that's kind of their whole deal.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Ok fine, 4th pill then. The nerve them ! Nazi think they own the idea of rejecting the current order and its ditect opposition.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

fascism is just extreme capitalism

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

Power dichotomy will always slander any "third option". They'll even say something dumb on its face like third way is "x". There are only two solutions, "with us" or "against us". Anything outside these choices is literally unthinkable for the power structure. The power structure cannot imagine a future where it does not exist. If you ask the unthinkable alternative, they will default to "oh you must be one of the enemy". We know that category well. They stand for every thing we don't stand for.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 6 months ago

Describe what you consider the "third way" that isn't capitalists owning the means of production, workers owning the means, or the state owning the means.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

No, I asked for a third pill. I didn't say "take my third pill". I also hope we can escape the narrow minded concept of a society centered on the tug of war to "own the means".

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

its take it or leave it i guess.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

At least we've still got cyanide pill when red or blue doesn't cut it.

[-] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Yes. It’s just those are the two mentioned, and I’m slightly communist. So there’s some bias.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

We did that already. We could do it again.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

thats not a mix though, it was just a bandaid over capitalism, borrowed from socialistic ideas. the capital accumulating class was never extinguished, eventually leading to the same problems today all over again.

hence why we advocate for a systemic change, if you can't accumulate capital, you can't buy back the system again like it is rn. this is pretty much the crux of the issue here.

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