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colonialism and apartheid are things of the past, silly! don't believe your lying eyes, we don't have those anymore!
Zionism is obviously not an integral part of the Jewish identity, if it were there wouldn't be publicly Jewish anti-Zionists.
If an integral part of their religion was committing genocide, yes I would absolutely not accept them. I'd probably say
with them. Fortunately a lot of Jewish people have figured out how to be Jewish without the whole genocide thing. Wild how that works.
Of course it isn't actually integral, or there wouldn't be Jewish people protesting israel. Lots of people have one without the other.
i'm not very up on my differences between the torah and the christianized old testament, but i'm pretty sure there's some "god said kill all these people" in there.
of course I haven't heard of anyone saying palestinians are actually amalekites, and we've all seen the video of the israeli cops shoving an old hasidic man protesting the genocide
Strictly, Zionism is opposed to religious Judaism, which is very clear on the Jews not being allowed to have a Jewish state in Eretz Yisrael until the Messiah comes (it's why most orthodox Jews are against it by default).
The argument that apartheid and genocide are vital aspects of Jewish identity is obviously trash, but if we take it seriously, doesn’t it contain an implicit argument that the Nazis conducted the holocaust in self-defense?
If Central americans or Scandinavians or whoever were still doing pagan human sacrifices, I'd definitely say fuck those guys and their religion.
But what if they sacrificed landlords?
I would go a step further and say that the implication that all Jews are complicit in the crimes of a genocidal settler colony is one of the most antiemetic things you could argue.
The last point reminds me of notions of "my religion tells me to be racist or homophobic". Like, if your "homeland" (your homeland will always exist as a land, separate of whether or not there's a "Jewish state" there) can only exist through ethnic cleansing, I'd argue it's right to ask Jews to denounce it, AS WELL AS all non-Jews who support it, because most Zionists are not Jewish.
In the 2000 years or so since the Bar Kokhba revolt, Zionism has only existed for the last 200 years. This is like Dutch racists appealing to tradition to defend our blackface helpers, when Sinterklaas didn't have any helper(s) at all for centuries.
Also, I accidentally read "Eden Yadegar" as "Eren Yaeger" lol
Before israel jewish identity didn't exist
Didn't it exist at least pre WW2, with israel being created shortly after?
(i was being facetious) identity existed without "homeland" for two thousands years, obviously it can get by, and even if its nice to have, homeland shouldn't be site of ongoing horror for better part of the century
Thanks, I thought you meant it literally and was a little confused.
"sorry but if you tell me i have to disavow the crusades and the reconquista (on top of all the modern day christian fascists running around) as a christian then you're bigotted against all christians"
Having your name almost sound like Eren Jaeger is strangely fitting for a zionist lmao.
Unironically the white "moderate" position. "Those are old timey bad things, don't mention them because they make me feel bad."