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[-] AutomatedPossum@hexbear.net 69 points 7 months ago

The NYT: "Us seperating Jews into good and bad Jews and equating Jewishness with zionism certainly isn't antisemitic, but a Jewish student calling out the systematic displacement, starving, bombing and medical neglect of two million people probably is!"

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 52 points 7 months ago

Jews have been at the forefront of calling out injustice and standing in solidarity with other marginalized people. Conflating those tendencies with antisemitism is so deranged and disgusting. Fucking NYT.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 64 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"How come all these Jews are being antisemitic? Don't they know Zionism is a part of Judaism?"

-New York Times

Between the willfully stupid argument and the paternalistic snobbishness that is tantamount to antisemitism itself, that's quite a remarkably atrocious headline and subhead

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

nerd quibblingI think that's a subhead, a byline gives the name of the author

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

subhead

Ah, you're right; I always get those two confused, edited

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 42 points 7 months ago
[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 51 points 7 months ago

Jerry Seinfeld and a paedophile go into a bar with Jerry's 17 year-old girlfriend. And it's the same person.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago

BOOOOO!! GET OFF THE STAGE!

[-] thisismyrealname@hexbear.net 40 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The students invoke historical issues of colonialism and apartheid.

colonialism and apartheid are things of the past, silly! don't believe your lying eyes, we don't have those anymore!

“Let’s take any other ethnic or religious minority,” said Eden Yadegar, a junior at Columbia. “Would you only accept them if they were willing to denounce an integral part of their religious or ethnic identity? The answer is absolutely not. So how come it’s OK to say, you know, we accept Jews, but only if you denounce your religious and social and ethnic connection to your homeland? It’s ridiculous.”

Zionism is obviously not an integral part of the Jewish identity, if it were there wouldn't be publicly Jewish anti-Zionists.

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Would you only accept them if they were willing to denounce an integral part of their religious or ethnic identity?

If an integral part of their religion was committing genocide, yes I would absolutely not accept them. I'd probably say barbara-pit with them. Fortunately a lot of Jewish people have figured out how to be Jewish without the whole genocide thing. Wild how that works.

[-] Pentacat@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

The argument that apartheid and genocide are vital aspects of Jewish identity is obviously trash, but if we take it seriously, doesn’t it contain an implicit argument that the Nazis conducted the holocaust in self-defense?

[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

If Central americans or Scandinavians or whoever were still doing pagan human sacrifices, I'd definitely say fuck those guys and their religion.

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago

But what if they sacrificed landlords?

[-] ferristriangle@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago

I would go a step further and say that the implication that all Jews are complicit in the crimes of a genocidal settler colony is one of the most antiemetic things you could argue.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

Before israel jewish identity didn't exist

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

Didn't it exist at least pre WW2, with israel being created shortly after?

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

(i was being facetious) identity existed without "homeland" for two thousands years, obviously it can get by, and even if its nice to have, homeland shouldn't be site of ongoing horror for better part of the century

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

Thanks, I thought you meant it literally and was a little confused.

[-] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The last point reminds me of notions of "my religion tells me to be racist or homophobic". Like, if your "homeland" (your homeland will always exist as a land, separate of whether or not there's a "Jewish state" there) can only exist through ethnic cleansing, I'd argue it's right to ask Jews to denounce it, AS WELL AS all non-Jews who support it, because most Zionists are not Jewish.

In the 2000 years or so since the Bar Kokhba revolt, Zionism has only existed for the last 200 years. This is like Dutch racists appealing to tradition to defend our blackface helpers, when Sinterklaas didn't have any helper(s) at all for centuries.

Also, I accidentally read "Eden Yadegar" as "Eren Yaeger" lol

[-] Leon_Frotsky@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"sorry but if you tell me i have to disavow the crusades and the reconquista (on top of all the modern day christian fascists running around) as a christian then you're bigotted against all christians"

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 7 months ago

colonialism and apartheid are things of the past, silly! don’t believe your lying eyes, we don’t have those anymore!

Unironically the white "moderate" position. "Those are old timey bad things, don't mention them because they make me feel bad."

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Eden Yadegar

Having your name almost sound like Eren Jaeger is strangely fitting for a zionist lmao.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 36 points 7 months ago

Antisemitic:

  • Saying genocide is bad
  • Jews who say Zionism don’t represent their beliefs
  • Jews who say people shouldn’t support a modern day holocaust

Not antisemitic:

  • zionists giving millions of dollars to far right politicians and celebrities
  • inviting fascist speakers to universities
  • allowing fascists to “protest” on campus and in public spaces with little pushback from the government
  • beating, arresting, and doxing Jews who say genocide is bad
  • ignoring Jewish voices because they’re not Zionists
[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

Not antisemitic: claiming Jews uncontrollably will murder multiple kids for each of their own losses

[-] dkr567@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I would personally take the words of Pro-Palestinian protestors that actually practice Judaism about their movement over some NPC minded petite-bourgeoisie that only write propaganda pieces at NYT but what do I know?

[-] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago

Classic argumentation

This thing has a definition but what if it was the opposite?

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Think! New York Yimes Think! Your not supposed to mention that the protestors are Jewish. What "moral high ground" will you possibly have left when the only position you can hold is that antisemitism is a Jewish conspiracy? think-mark

Edit:edgeworth-smug

edgeworth-shrug

[-] ComradeLove@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

You know who's behind this? George Soros!

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

stuff it's me, i'm not buying it - NYC, probably

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

its only okay to be antireligion if your religions symbol is a crescent not okay if it is a six sided star dont make this mistake and pick the wrong celestial symbol k

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago

dawkins_irl

[-] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Some goy: Well actually, apartheid and genocide is the foundation of your identity.

Me: lenin-shining

[-] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

New York Times coming out in defense of Trumpites calling MAGA's opposition anti-white racists it seems thonk

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