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I distinctly remember some years ago the very same feral hog boomers very upset that young people didn't care about things outside of their iphone and avocado toast. Now they care about the wrong things and some hot couch guy with a nightstick is coming to cave their head in.

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[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 64 points 6 months ago

"Now they care about the wrong things and some hot couch guy with a nightstick is coming to cave their head in."

lol That's usually how it is with how people treat us Autistics.

"You gotta apply yourself. NO, not like that!"

Truth be told: they wouldn't like who we really are if they ever saw who we really are.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 51 points 6 months ago

That kind of rhetoric has always been apologia for the system, not meant to be practical advice. “The problem isn’t the political economy, it’s that you’re not doing X” with X being a moving target depending on what’s convenient at the moment.

[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 48 points 6 months ago

Moving target you say?

pavlichenko

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 40 points 6 months ago

"You gotta apply yourself. NO, not like that!"

They then launch harassment campaigns against us for being "cringe."

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

They fucking gossip about us too behind our backs even when we don't retaliate.

You have the 'tism too?

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As an ADHDer trans woman I totally relate.

Neurotypicality is a false consciousness imo, too many people place too much stock in relating to others not based on material circumstances but based on assuming every person is basically very literally the same, when you're outside it, you see it's just bioessentialism repackaged with the word omitted - a creepy cult called "culture".

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

Oh God YES

Where did you read that line (if it isn't yours)?

I agree with it completely.

I'm ADHD and Autistic and OCD.

Have sleep apnea and probably IBS (lol, though I shouldn't be laughing).

You put it soooooooooo well just now.

(Also, I have gender dysphoria and don't feel like a man.)

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

Thank you! The line is mine, but it's heavily inspired by "Gender Nihilism" by Alyson Escalate and "The Xenofeminist Manifesto" as well as other feminist works that go against the 'biological destiny' narrative, i.e. The Dialectics of Sex by Shulamith Firestone which is ironically enough sometimes cited by TERFs so YMMV but I don't read the work as justifying their beliefs at all, though I find it disagreeable in other ways.

It is perhaps also worthwhile reading the sort of discourse the above works arose almost in response to: the patriarchal falsification of the biological facts of cis women and suppression of education relating to that which would threaten the patriarchal premise, beautifully illustrated in Evelyn Reed's "Is biology women's destiny?" (Marxist Internet Archive), because the above works are written to suggest that while the above is true, it may be that the better line of thinking is to ultimately reject identity, because it's not the word but the desire to classify people into identities like this that really is ultimately harmful.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Perhaps I should read these! Thanks!

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

Plus, I have brain fog.

Definitely get yourself a therapist, like the one here:

https://hexbear.net/post/2436414

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago

Yep. Undiagnosed until adulthood. Seeing how even many progressives and "leftists" treat us is some serious blackpill shit.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

Yeah, even leftists and communists...

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago
[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

I need this.

Too many communists sideline their Autistic comrades.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

We are on tism forum Care-Comrade informal declaration of Hexbear as a neurodiversity forum.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

I wish, but it sometimes feels like even Hexbear treats us roughly.

Well, communist spaces have this problem in general.

Speaking of Hexbear, I once saw someone defend ABA and said that she did this to her own child and that it was necessary. ABA! Fuck that shit.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

I haven't experienced it myself, but my confidence is so busted that tolerating my existence qualifies aa great inclusion. I do think bear website is ahead of other spaces, but what issues do you have with how it is now? Is there anything that could be done immediately to improve it?

bocchi-cry I fear going into an irl space...

Not on here surely? Practicing ABA on your own child should be classed as a crime, fuck.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

Yes, it was on here. In /c/neurodiverse.

I still remember it... Got 3 upvotes last I checked, but that was months ago. Really shook me, admittedly. Maybe they just didn't like me? Idk. I was controversial back then.

But thanks for hearing me out!

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Fuck, ABA defenders, on my bear website, no way.

When you don't get votes, when you can't tell what people thought of your thing you said kiryu-pain It be like that sometimes...

Ofc, no prob meow-hug

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I get that. I'll try to find the upvoted comment, if you're curious. Could've gotten more votes by this time...

But yeah, I was a bit upset, though I tried to keep my emotions in check at the time. Maybe I was overreacting? But it stuck with me.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

But thank you. And thanks for the warmth.

I'm not trying to single out Hexbear here, despite my last comment.

Hell, it's better in this regard than most communist spaces, at least at times (just trying to be impartial here).

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Yw, of course meow-hug

Yeah I think so too, but if my comrades have concerns I wanna hear em. Just because I'm happy going on autistic screeds all the time, doesn't mean it's great for everyone.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

*Autistic

Let's use the capital A!

Well, that's what I got from a book I read recently.

We're our own culture and neuro-type.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

Oh is it considered bad form to lowercase it? TIL! Very nice.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I'm just telling you as a fellow Autistic comrade, that's all!

Don't mean to come off as "asshole-ish."

But I believe that Autistic people are our own culture, just like the LGBTQ+ movement, and we should invoke it, that demarcation, as it also lends some gravitas to the term and what it means.

So, err, yeah, just giving you the heads-up!

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

This is true and I dig it, I wasn't even aware the capitalisation thing existed, thank you. We are our own culture fidel-salute

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, read:

Unmasking Autism: Discovering the New Faces of Neurodiversity by Devon Price

It talks about this!

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

The recommendations to read Devon Price are piling up...

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago
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