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Dude, I didn't bring up China initially. They've both got very bad prison systems. I'm just pointing out that it's silly as OP did to hold up some positive example of what happens to you in China if you protest the government versus the (already pretty undemocratic) things that happen in the US. There's no comparison.
I mean, you can try. Are you Chinese or know someone in China? It's not that hard to just go out on the street with a poster talking about Tienanmen or overthrowing Xi Jinping, and report back about your experiences.
I'm happy to show evidence comparing the systems. What are some sources you trust that I could cite?
Shut the fuck up baby murderer. The fuck is wrong with you? Why do you love murdering babies so much?
Wikipedia? Reuters? TASS? Al-Jazeera? Something else?
Where do you get your news and world information from? Even if it doesn't say anything about Chinese prisons, I'd be interested to be exposed to the truth so I could start unlearning all these lies I've been fed from all the other baby murderers.
You clearly aren't interested in actually learning though. You're a sealioning debate pervert, I'm not going to dance for you, you piece of shit. You didn't approach this topic in good faith and aren't going to change your mind. Enjoy your fascist hellhole of a country getting worse and worse as you blame China for all of the ills caused by your own government.
You're actually pretty close to a realization, I think.
You know that these are simple questions that anyone who's being full and honest about what they believe and why would be okay with answering. I mean, tactically I think it's smart that you don't want to answer, because you know if you keep pulling that thread there might pop out some evidence that you want to be able to keep pretending isn't there.
I feel like that one day's one-off webcomic panel has been giving ammunition to bad faith debaters everywhere for years now, because it gave them an excuse to dismiss straightforward questions as "sealioning" and told them that it's perfectly reasonable to just angrily refuse to address questions that some little part of their brain knows they really should have answers to. Like somehow the person asking straight questions is the dickhead, and the person saying I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I SAID, I JUST KNOW YOU'RE WRONG is the reasonable one.
All good. I won't try to make you talk about it if you really want to curl up into a ball and say no no no no no no no. Just remember, real honest points of view don't have these little gaps that people get mad about if someone starts asking questions about them. Have a good one, I guess.
Fuck off you smug piece of shit. You libs really don't get it.
Every socialist in the west was like you at one point, in the same smugly ignorant position they were trained to be in, with massive blind spots towards socialism, finding every excuse in the book to think you're "smart" despite not actually doing any effort to learn more or challenge your preconceived notions, to dismiss everything that challenges you out of hand, thinking this is "critical thinking" when it is actually just intellectual laziness.
We have challenged our preconceived notions about these places, we have actually looked, and actually investigated, we were the ones choosing not to be intellectually lazy and blindly support the status quo opinion, thinking it is intelligence. You're not willing to listen, or learn, and I'm not going to be doing your thinking for you. You have a brain, please use it for something other than being smug on the internet. Or if you can't handle that, at least go and be smug and unpleasant somewhere else.
IDK why you think I haven't read socialism.
But good luck. If you don't want me being rude to you, you probably don't want us to talk any more at this point.
It's fairly obvious you arent well read on socialism. The way you think about history, development of society and its transformations are clearly incorrect given the other stuff you've posted (for example, you don't understand how propaganda works). So we don't need to explore very much further.
You are not taught how to grapple with those topics properly in America and in fact are taught an older, outdated manner that is instilled into you since birth by everyday interaction with parents, friends, education, media, the list goes on. This is the true nature of propaganda.
What you should be concerned with is the scientific interpretation of history, since growing up in America, you do not learn this but rather the ideological one that, even when you say you criticize the US, often simply ends up supporting the US, who has been the biggest barrier in modern times to historical progress.
Have a good day and don't take it personally. I'd wager 90%+ of us here started out like you.
Why would I need to be well read on socialism to speak on objective facts about what happened to the Hong Kong protestors?
If your picture of reality can only be defended to people who’ve been “taught how to grapple with these topics properly,” and to someone who’s “incorrect” in their thinking you can’t say where you get your information and keep changing the subject or refusing to address basic questions, it’s a red flag that your view might have some problems. A lot of things sound really good if you get to do all the talking and any opposing viewpoint just sits and listens and isn’t supposed to ask any questions.
Lying