Republicans were always going to go for the low hanging fruit. I do miss when that was "Obama wore a brown suit, REEEEEEE!!!1!11!" though. Depressing that genocide is low hanging fruit, desperately wish it was "democrat primary is demonstrably biased" instead (but they definitely don't want attention to that on themselves either).

Yep, I've said it before, chasing the "Progressive" (as the vocal lemmy base self identify) vote is a futile endeavor. It doesn't matter if Biden cut off support to Isreal today. They would just move the goalposts and harp on about how he's not perfect and therefore not worth their vote.

I have zero doubt that had Bernie, their messiah, been elected in 2016, they would have turned on him within a year because he necessarily would have had to make concessions to get anything passed, and the progressive base is uncompromising.

Which isn't to say we shouldn't vocalize our discontent with continued Isreal support during a genocide. Pressure gives them the excuse to slowly dial back the historically unconditional support of Isreal. But they have to tread very carefully, because despite the bubble on Lemmy, withdrawing support for Isreal is extremely politically risky.

And ultimately, the best chance to shift support to the Palestinians in Gaza is to vote blue across the board, while giving them the feedback that ending support for Isreal is popular. Because the alternative, voting Republican or independent, has zero chance of improving anything for Gazians, Ukrainians, or anyone besides christofacists.

If you want to shift things more progressive, get involved in campaigning for lower elections. You don't just go straight to the top, you need to get a movement with real traction before you're going to turn any heads.

You're trying to skip the Montage, and fight the end boss before you can throw a punch.

Pretty much, but god youre eloquent! Im glad im not one of the ones trying to argue with u xD

I do remember r/sandersforpresident when it was good, and i do remember a lot of reddit leftist subs before they turned into "vooting bad!" and "heres the spoonfed opinions u must subscribe to if u want to be a Leftist TM."

And honestly, as for whats going on on lemmy, ur right that productive conversation gets drowned out, and the shills and their tankie followers tend to drag ppl down to the dregs whenever they try to debate them or are forced to call them out lest others take them seriously.

Its a brilliant tactic, too. Anyone remotely left leaning- shit, anyone morally sane, really- will look at the Gaza situation and feel for the downtrodden civilians being slaughtered and feel sympathy/take their side. The left is harder than the right to co-opt who will go for anything that tells them theyre better than the next guy so feel free to hate on XYZ, so theyre forced to co-opt the positions we already are bound to hold.

And ill end with ur daily reminder that actual leftists, like the Zapatistas in Spain who list it as a core tenet, will operate within the bounds of the system (not just outside of it) by voting for the option that most enables (or least obstructs) further mutual aid/direct action.