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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by MiraculousMM@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

We've seen an uptick in people posting dunks in here that belong in dunk_tank, as well as low-hanging fruit that gets removed from or isn't allowed in dunk_tank anymore. For context, rule 8 of dunk_tank:

Rule 8: The subject of a post cannot be low hanging fruit, that is comments/posts made by a private person that have low amount of upvotes/likes/views. Comments/Posts made on other instances that are accessible from hexbear are an exception to this.

There's a reason that dunks are cordoned off to their own comm, some users rightfully don't want to see reactionary nonsense all the time, even if we're making fun of the person who said it. /c/cth is a general-purpose comm but it's NOT for posting some random nobody asshole twitter user's bad takes, the absolute best course of action to take when you see that stuff out in the wild is to either directly shit on them yourself, or ignore them and don't give them more attention.

From this point on I'm going to be more stringent about moderating this. I get it, it's fun to dunk on the libs and the blue checks and the frothingfash and that's why we have a whole dedicated comm for that. Any post that's obviously meant to be "hey look at this piece of shit, let's laugh at how bad their opinions are, upbears to the left and emojis in chat" belongs in the_dunk_tank. And any super low-hanging fruit doesn't belong on this site, period (see TDT rule 8 above). We have better things to do with our time than give unearned attention, time and energy to low-follower-count nobodies yelling into the void.

Thanks for your discretion comrades, stay sicko sicko-jammin

edit: as others have pointed out, /c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml is a good place for any and all dunking content not allowed here. Post that ragebait to our comrades at the 'grad, they'll make good use of it. Also, per rule 9 of TFT dunking on fediverse users is still explicitly allowed so it's still open season on those in our own backyard.

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[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah, but it should cool off after a while. I'm sure that now both comms are going after the low hanging fruit posts the posts will just wean off.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

What is wrong with low hanging fruit anyway

It's not like making fun of reactionary losers is important work or anything

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

shrug-outta-hecks They belong better in some of the Lemmygrad lib showcase comms. I've seen too many posts on here and /r/trueanon that are just random nobodies saying deranged things 4 years ago. I don't mind it too much and it's ultimately not dissimilar from the approved posts, but it's extremely reddit energy to be dunking on low hanging fruit from trolls.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

So ignore them and let them settle to the bottom of the pile with all the other poor engagement posts

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

So, what you're saying is to defeat bad posts in the marketplace of ideas, rather than to use political power to do so?

[-] booty@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Why do we have to "defeat" bad posts at all? Hexbear is a site where a significant portion of the posts are bad on purpose. We have an entire comm dedicated to posting the worst posts we can come up with. Title: I farded, body: hehe is a completely valid Hexbear post. In fact, it's probably been posted multiple times already.

We should be "defeating" posts that are racist, ableist, transphobic, liberal, etc. We shouldn't be "defeating" posts that are bad, that's what this site is for

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

I literally just made a joke, but go off I guess.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

Your application of your political ideology to how you think the site should be run is incoherent enough that being facetious in that fashion doesn't work.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

Maybe if you could articulate an actual reason that you've chosen one particular genre of hexbear post to bully people with your mod powers over, I would be more open to laughing at your jokes. As it stands, your communications here just sound lifeless and corporate and make it difficult to entertain any humor involved.

[-] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"The mods are bullying people." Hexbear gets so dramatic when faced with the prospect of doing something else with its time rather than scraping through and being dragged down by the absolute dregs of humanity.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Why do mods want to insert themselves into how I spend my time, and why do you care enough to express your support for that?

[-] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Because I think that dunk posts are actually kind of toxic in general. They're fine in moderation but so often they're "here's this horrible thing that I saw someone online do or say, and I'm going to post it here for everyone else to see, and we're all going to get depressed by it and use some of our finite emotional bandwidth for the day on it, despite the fact that we can't do anything about it."

Prime example: Just yesterday I learned on this site that people make (CW: zionazi demon shit)

spoilerPalestinian bombing montages to rock music
and it actually just straight up made my day worse. I didn't want or need to know that, it doesn't make my life better in any way, and now I have to just live with this disgusting and horrible fact.

If this rule prevents shit like that, I think it's a net good for everyone in a multitude of ways.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

If you don't like the kinds of posts that the dunk tank are for then you can and should block that comm, not tell everyone else that no fun is allowed and threaten to ban them

[-] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Like I said, dunking is fine in moderation, but to quote someone else in the thread, I don't need to see every bad take on the internet.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

then block the comm until you're in the mood to see bad takes and then unblock it until you're tired of seeing bad takes? do you want to ban posts about RTS games from !games@hexbear.net just because you don't want to hear about every game on the internet?

[-] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

No, I'll just support this rule, thanks.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

some of us have been against c/badposting for the entirety of its existence

[-] booty@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

then block the comm and leave us alone? "i don't like this kind of post so mods need to remove it and ban people for posting it" is baby shit

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

pigpoop

i already did but surely you understand that my blocking a comm because i think it's a bad idea and bad for the culture doesn't change my opinion on it. and that my ability to block it doesn't have shit to do with my pointing out my position as a contradiction of your argument.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

and that my ability to block it doesn't have shit to do with my pointing out my position as a contradiction of your argument.

first off, you didn't articulate any such position. you just said that you don't like the badposting comm.

second, who cares whether you (or the mods) like a certain comm or a certain type of post? since when does that matter? how many more types of posts are just going to be arbitrarily, randomly, unilaterally banned by the mods for no articulable reason?

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

my "some of us" was plural, and "against" is a fair bit stronger than "don't like"

the only baby shit i see here is your crying about the mods' decision.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

why are you so angry that I'm trying to get the mods to explain their unilateral decisions? you already have your preferred outcome, let the people who actually want to achieve something with the conversation be. you're literally just here to gloat about how the mods are on your side

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[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Is the fruit somehow higher if the person has more followers? I honestly don't understand.

A post is higher effort the more eyeballs the original had?

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

Yeah, part of the problem with these rules is that there's no good way to draw a line between what's low-hanging fruit and what's a legitimate target for hexbear dunking. The rule relies on the mood of the mod present at the time of posting.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

Surely everyone will stop posting the posts they like to post because the two comms those posts best fit in ban those posts

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

Yeah? We had people posting casual transphobia and casual racism here in the early days, heavy moderation put an end to that. Obviously bad posts and bigotry aren't comparable but you get the idea, moderation is like cyberbullying but with institutional power; and if we've learned anything from the posting wars it's that bullying works.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

That's not really comparable. Racism and transphobia are actually bad and ideologically opposed to the ideals of the site, making fun of bad opinions but with numbers that are too small under them is not. Getting rid of people who post racism and transphobia is a good thing to do, but are you actually suggesting banning low-hanging-fruit-dunkers?

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